Female school shooter?

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Female school shooter. The alleged attacker has been named. Natalie Rupnow also goes by the name Samantha.

Madison’s chief of police was asked about comments online that suggest the shooter may have been trans.

“I don’t know whether Natalie was transgender or not,” Barnes said at a news conference tonight.

“I don’t think that whatever happened today has anything to do with how she or he or they may have wanted to identify,” he said. “And I wish people would kind of leave their own personal biases out of this.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna184404

I did wonder, briefly, yesterday when the Times posted an article with the word female in quotes. Of course, I wouldn't have questioned it at all if only dishonesty over the sex of the perpetrators of crimes had become so widespread in the press.

I was going to raise this too.

Female shooters do have a recent histry of being trans identiffying, but the question of whether they were taking testosterone or not does not seem to be have been considered publically.

So the police in this case is wrong: the 'identitty' may well be relevant if they were trans.

Also this case and the 2023 Nashville case were targetting Christians, so again this may have been relevant to a particular identity.

💐I hear you and often feel the same

In every school shooter case the question of what mental health needs were known, what medication were they on and what was their belief system informing their motive should be openly known and discussed.

Only then can we really unedrtand the risk factors driving these shootings.

Trans should be regarded as a mental health issue, the medication should be regarded as potenially inlfuencing bvehaviour and the ideology as being one which can distrort reality and motivate hatred towards targetted groups.

The police are foolish to pretend non of this is relevant.

Some biological females on testosterone have spoken of an increase in feeling aggressive so the impact of this (un evidenced) treatment on the likelihood of criminality should absolutely be investigated.

Ridiculous anyone would say otherwise.

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Very low incidence of female shooters.
But
Higher incidenceof female shooters who are trans.

You'd presume that questioning whether they were on testostereone would be data urgently needed.
And that you'd have a clear hypothesis here.

But no. No one wants to talk about this.

They also don't want to talk about the other mental health medications most shooters areron and the risk factors.
Ecah incident is treated as some unconnected random tragedy instead of the cultural phenonmenon they are.

A reporter has spoken to the boyfriend of the shooter and there wasn't any sort of transgender issue going on.

But in other cases, where the perpetrator was female, testosterone was taken. We know that males are given oestrogen levels of that of a pregnant woman, and females are likely given similarly high doses of testosterone.

We know testosterone is what causes aggression, and it is probably worsened on a body not conditioned to those levels.

So yes transgender status is important to investigate (and in this case rule out) because it can be a contributing factor.

Apart from mental health problems and testosterone, with transmen i.e. biological women/girls who identify as male, there is another factor - deliberately mimicking male behaviour patterns, including aggression and violence, in order to "feel more male'.

They also don't want to talk about the other mental health medications most shooters areron and the risk factors.
Ecah incident is treated as some unconnected random tragedy instead of the cultural phenonmenon they are.

Yes. However the US Secret Service did produce this detailed report on mass attacks in public spaces a few years ago for the period 2016-2020 which has lots of demographic data.

www.secretservice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/2023-01/usss-ntac-maps-2016-2020.pdf

Very interesting to read. All of them had a history of mental illness too.

Were you disappointed? That the shooter wasn't trans I mean?

It certainly seems so.

Odd focus when people have died.

Vile insinuation.

No one is 'disappointed', the discussion is whether the police were right to say it wouldn't be relevant.

Any factor which might represnt part of pattern of behaviour could be relevant.
Trans should not be an exception.

This talks about 'hateful ideologies'.

This could be any idelogy that a person (with mental helath needs) had become obsessed and righteous about.
Whether that was religious fundamentalsim, anti semitism islamophobia, racism, misogyny or a rightoeus belief in gender idelogy triggering hate.
All of those wouold be relevant, particuraly if we were seeing a pattern of motivation occuring.

Again, Trans shouldn't be treated as an exception.

Althouogh in this case I did hear one report that the manifesto contained evdienec of man hating regetoric. Not sure how true that is, and it's unsual motivation for a mass shooting, but if true, relevant.

Details are beginning to crystallise now showing that the shooter, who is now confirmed to have been 15 years old and assigned female at birth with no mention of a trans identity in her manifesto nor any indication of such given to her boyfriend or family, actually subscribed to toxic and misanthropic 'incel' style far right ideology with a particular interest in the rhetoric of a Turkish neo-nazi.

She used offensive racial slurs and revolutionary, antisocial and inflammatory language in her manifesto and, from the nature of what she committed to page, appeared to to be deeply unwell and filled with a long-standing and completely unaddressed general misanthropy.

This is a horrific tragedy to have befallen any community and I would suggest that the way in which the shooter's identity was speculated over - especially with regards to spurious claims that she was transgender - should be cause for some serious reflection.

Longer term it does matter that correct statistics are kept, partly because if it was noticed that their was a substantial increase in female perpetrators that's itself is concerning and should be investigated . However in the immediate aftermath of an event I think the police chief was right, there's more important questions to be asked than regarding self identification. Time and place for these things

This could be any idelogy that a person (with mental helath needs) had become obsessed and righteous about.
Whether that was religious fundamentalsim, anti semitism islamophobia, racism, misogyny or a rightoeus belief in gender idelogy triggering hate.
All of those wouold be relevant, particuraly if we were seeing a pattern of motivation occuring.

Again, Trans shouldn't be treated as an exception.

I fully agree.

Agreed yes - accurate statistics on these horrific crimes, the demographics of their perpetrators and the ideologies that inspire their avoidable descent into becoming agents of harm are going to be key to helping society know where to focus its efforts in addressing their causes.

When perpetrators are transgender then that can potentially be quite relevant information; we already know full well that the social environment for trans people can be quite different to that experienced by non-trans people, especially during the critical period of vulnerability during the mid-late teenage years where young people are already especially vulnerable to violent ideological influences.

You've just contradicted yourself

that was to ButterflyHatched

who is now confirmed to have been 15 years old and assigned female at birth

There is no such thing. Sex is not assigned at birth. She appears to be a 15 year old girl without any gender identity issues.

I am viewing hints that the shooter was a subscriber to a particular ideological position that some are tenuously describing as 'radfem' with a heavy pinch of salt right now. It's clearly radical but I certainly wouldn't describe it as identifiably feminist.

How?

Once more for those who still haven't understood: this isn't about hoping that the shooter is male, it's about being dismayed that we cannot trust the press and police to tell the truth consistently about a violent offender's sex.

Male violence is the biggest human rights crisis on the planet and being able to identify incidents of male violence and the far rarer incidents of female violence is important to be able to analyse and tackle why people commit these appalling crimes.

And do you now understand why accurate and truthful reporting is important?

The media have form in reporting about "women" committing serious crime, only for it to be revealed that it was a man with a recently created transgender identity?

No one trusts the media any more they say "a woman has committed...".

It is a girl, but this is the crap that the media is causing with it's dishonesty