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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Female school shooter?

142 replies

Signalbox · 17/12/2024 08:02

Female school shooter. The alleged attacker has been named. Natalie Rupnow also goes by the name Samantha.

Madison’s chief of police was asked about comments online that suggest the shooter may have been trans.

“I don’t know whether Natalie was transgender or not,” Barnes said at a news conference tonight.

“I don’t think that whatever happened today has anything to do with how she or he or they may have wanted to identify,” he said. “And I wish people would kind of leave their own personal biases out of this.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna184404

15-year-old female ID'd as shooter at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin

Latest news and live updates on the potential school shooting at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin, on Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna184404

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Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:00

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 17/12/2024 15:37

Once more for those who still haven't understood: this isn't about hoping that the shooter is male, it's about being dismayed that we cannot trust the press and police to tell the truth consistently about a violent offender's sex.

Male violence is the biggest human rights crisis on the planet and being able to identify incidents of male violence and the far rarer incidents of female violence is important to be able to analyse and tackle why people commit these appalling crimes.

Christ I knew he liked to spin things here but this takes the biscuit.

A young teen murdered children and the first thought is oh how can I bring this to my argument.

Shame! Absolutely shame on ye all. The thread should be removed have respect for the dead.

DerekFaker · 17/12/2024 16:09

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:00

Christ I knew he liked to spin things here but this takes the biscuit.

A young teen murdered children and the first thought is oh how can I bring this to my argument.

Shame! Absolutely shame on ye all. The thread should be removed have respect for the dead.

If you have read the full thread and this is your take I don't know how to help you.

SpunkyCritic · 17/12/2024 16:16

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:00

Christ I knew he liked to spin things here but this takes the biscuit.

A young teen murdered children and the first thought is oh how can I bring this to my argument.

Shame! Absolutely shame on ye all. The thread should be removed have respect for the dead.

I think the Police knowing all about the shooter, including potential reasons, mental health issues is important. Not sure why you'd disagree.

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:17

SpunkyCritic · 17/12/2024 16:16

I think the Police knowing all about the shooter, including potential reasons, mental health issues is important. Not sure why you'd disagree.

That isn't the context of the opening post, please don't expect others to be so blind!

borntobequiet · 17/12/2024 16:30

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:17

That isn't the context of the opening post, please don't expect others to be so blind!

The context of the opening post is the uncertainty about the sex of the perpetrator, and concerns about reporting crimes committed by men as being committed by women, as most posters have made clear.

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:40

borntobequiet · 17/12/2024 16:30

The context of the opening post is the uncertainty about the sex of the perpetrator, and concerns about reporting crimes committed by men as being committed by women, as most posters have made clear.

No it was to cause fear and incite. I am not responding to this any longer it is shameful.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 16:49

No one has lied about anything on this thread.

SpunkyCritic · 17/12/2024 16:50

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:17

That isn't the context of the opening post, please don't expect others to be so blind!

You seem to be the only one who has an issue with this thread and are seeing this in an anti-trans context.

YesterdaysFuture · 17/12/2024 16:57

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SuzieNine · 17/12/2024 17:36

NordicwithTeen · 17/12/2024 10:02

I just read the news and was thinking the same. Another unusual crime for a woman and the perpetrator has 2 names... It will be interesting to see how it pans out and how they will report it.

She wasn’t a woman. She was a 15 year old child. It’s not ‘interesting’. It’s a horrible tragedy.

SuzieNine · 17/12/2024 17:39

MalagaNights · 17/12/2024 14:15

In every school shooter case the question of what mental health needs were known, what medication were they on and what was their belief system informing their motive should be openly known and discussed.

Only then can we really unedrtand the risk factors driving these shootings.

Trans should be regarded as a mental health issue, the medication should be regarded as potenially inlfuencing bvehaviour and the ideology as being one which can distrort reality and motivate hatred towards targetted groups.

The police are foolish to pretend non of this is relevant.

There’s only one relevant risk factor driving school shootings: the widespread availability of firearms.

And it’s pointless trying to understand it or analyse it because nothing will ever be done.

JeremiahBullfrog · 17/12/2024 17:54

SuzieNine · 17/12/2024 17:39

There’s only one relevant risk factor driving school shootings: the widespread availability of firearms.

And it’s pointless trying to understand it or analyse it because nothing will ever be done.

So the distribution of school shooters amongst the population is entirely random is it? Just as likely to be a 70-year-old grandmother with an active membership of the local book club as a disaffected 20-year-old male, is it?

Porcuporpoise · 17/12/2024 17:59

Disaffection, alienation, social isolation, and bullying by peers are all common factors in school shooters of either sex.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 18:01

There’s only one relevant risk factor driving school shootings: the widespread availability of firearms.

That's a highly important factor. It really isn't the only one.

ButterflyHatched · 17/12/2024 18:06

JeremiahBullfrog · 17/12/2024 17:54

So the distribution of school shooters amongst the population is entirely random is it? Just as likely to be a 70-year-old grandmother with an active membership of the local book club as a disaffected 20-year-old male, is it?

In this case, a disaffected 15 year old girl radicalised by the far right

Echobelly · 17/12/2024 18:18

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:00

Christ I knew he liked to spin things here but this takes the biscuit.

A young teen murdered children and the first thought is oh how can I bring this to my argument.

Shame! Absolutely shame on ye all. The thread should be removed have respect for the dead.

Thank you! I am so grossed out by this phenomenon of the last few years whereby some people insist on immediately 'transvestigating' suspects, often on the flimsiest of grounds.

Honestly guys, if any suspects turn out to actually be trans you can rely on 90% of the mainstream press immediately screaming about it on your behalf so I wouldn't worry about it being 'covered up because of wokeness'

Do people have any idea what a small population trans people make up? The rate this lot report would mean practically every one would be a criminal.

Please keep your kink for trans criminals out of our faces in the meantime.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 18:31

Honestly guys, if any suspects turn out to actually be trans you can rely on 90% of the mainstream press

This really isn't true as you would know if you were in any way informed about this issue @Echobelly

But of course you aren't.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 18:33

In this case, a disaffected 15 year old girl radicalised by the far right

All female mass shooters, whether or not they identify as men, are a tiny proportion of the whole. The overwhelming majority are men.

Is that really not relevant?

BigFrau · 17/12/2024 18:35

if any suspects turn out to actually be trans you can rely on 90% of the mainstream press immediately screaming about it on your behalf so I wouldn't worry about it being 'covered up because of wokeness'

You are right. The press will report it 100% accurately. We can trust them. Can't we...?

The latest example here:
https://www.lancs.live/news/uk-world-news/dangerous-woman-jailed-violent-physical-30578498?int_campaign=organic&int_medium=display&int_source=taboola

ButterflyHatched · 17/12/2024 18:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 18:33

In this case, a disaffected 15 year old girl radicalised by the far right

All female mass shooters, whether or not they identify as men, are a tiny proportion of the whole. The overwhelming majority are men.

Is that really not relevant?

All trans mass shooters, whether or not they identify as men, are a tiny proportion of the whole. The overwhelming majority are non-trans men.

Is that really not relevant?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 18:40

It seems that most trans mass shooters are the women who identify as men, @ButterflyHatched so not sure how that's different to what I said, except being clear that biologically female people don't do many shootings whether they have gender identity issues or not.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 17/12/2024 19:09

ButterflyHatched · 17/12/2024 18:37

All trans mass shooters, whether or not they identify as men, are a tiny proportion of the whole. The overwhelming majority are non-trans men.

Is that really not relevant?

The question, when a proportion of the population commit a proportion of a crime, is whether the sizes of the two proportions match. This is difficult to gauge when there are very few data points.

When it comes to US trans mass shooters, there is insufficient data to make any judgement about proportionality because of the rarity of mass shootings compared to, say, ordinary murder, the rarity of trans people committing these attacks and the low number of trans people in the population.

When it comes to US male mass shooters, the proportion of shooters who are male is far far higher than you'd expect from a sex class that make 50% of the population.

The point of the thread wasn't to cast shade on trans people, but to express dismay that the police and press won't tell the truth about what sex a violent offender is any more. When Myra Hindley was arrested, no one doubted the reports that a woman had jointly murdered multiple children. People were horrified, it might have taken a few minutes for what they were reading to sink in, but they didn't question the reported sex of the offender. Same for Rose West, because until the last decade or so, reporting was by sex. Now, we find ourselves thinking "they say it's a woman, but is it another instance of a man being called 'woman' like Isla Bryson etc?" because it's statistically unlikely that a woman would commit such a crime and we know that the press and police will lie to us.

It's not about trans people, it's about truthful reporting.

Signalbox · 17/12/2024 19:15

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 12:17

Im not sure of the details of each one to that extent.

If anyone wants to look them up:

Audrey Hale - Nashville school shooting 2023
Alec McKinney - Denver Colorado school shooting 2019 (with an accomplice)
Snochia Moseley, Aberdeen, Maryland 2018

In the Audrey Hale case there was a manifesto that they didn’t release at the time. I don’t remember a thread on here at the time the manifesto was released in July this year. The report of it is pretty shocking.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13505849/amp/Nashville-school-shooter-Audrey-Hale-trans-kill-puberty-blockers.html

Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale's violent screed REVEALED at last

The explosive writings, sometimes called Hale's 'manifesto,' have been a source of controversy, with many saying officials had kept them secret because they would hurt the trans community.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13505849/amp/Nashville-school-shooter-Audrey-Hale-trans-kill-puberty-blockers.html

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YesterdaysFuture · 17/12/2024 19:22

People no longer believe the media due to their reluctance to be truthful about the real sex of the offender.

The media don't report on the truth due to the pressure by trans activists to call people by their adopted trans identity, and those trans activists can't then start moaning about "trans-investigations" when they've caused the situation in the first place.

There are clearly a lot of male offenders who pretend to be trans (as in they adopt a female persona after being charged), but again the trans activists make us believe everyone is whoever they say they are, and consequently that has created crime statistics that show trans women are much more likely to be violent sex offenders than men.

Essentially this mistrust of the media has been caused by trans activists.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 19:23

In the Audrey Hale case there was a manifesto that they didn’t release at the time. I don’t remember a thread on here at the time the manifesto was released in July this year. The report of it is pretty shocking.

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