Female school shooter?

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Female school shooter. The alleged attacker has been named. Natalie Rupnow also goes by the name Samantha.

Madison’s chief of police was asked about comments online that suggest the shooter may have been trans.

“I don’t know whether Natalie was transgender or not,” Barnes said at a news conference tonight.

“I don’t think that whatever happened today has anything to do with how she or he or they may have wanted to identify,” he said. “And I wish people would kind of leave their own personal biases out of this.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna184404

I personally sense check every article that mentions a woman, and wonder if it's the bepenised women they're talking about. It's tiresome, it would be nice if they just told the truth.

However when it's things like crimes or sports where men are more likely to rape / murder/ punch on average 162% harder then obviously it becomes more obvious when they're lying.

Not just the crime ones, no. I also fact check sports reports, sporting accolades and other awards made to women.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to ensure our sex is represented accurately by the media and police.

So it is just news about women that you fact check so thoroughly then because the transgender issue is so important to you all.

I personally think it's in bad taste to start transvestigating someone immediately in the aftermath of such an awful crim when more focus should be given to the victims, impact on the community and why the shooter did what they did. I agree with the police man who said there is more important information about this crime and whether somone is transgender or not should be the first thing or the main thing people should be asking about. I find it crass.

Do you want some Duraglit for that halo?

I find it crass

More crass than the multiple examples of the crimes of males being reported as women’s crimes?

Well there was I working hard to safeguard women and children, knowing that biological sex is crucial for safeguarding and every time it is concealed or falsified the risks of future safeguarding failures increase. Hard work but feeling it was more than worth it.

But then I found out some people consider that crass.

Oh no!!! Crass!!

Oh wait, actually I have no fucks left to give. 🥱

i'm wondering if you would find it 'crass' if a man is sent to a woman's prison.

Because this is the whole point of trans ideology. That sex is irrelevant.

How do you square that sex is irrelevant on one hand, and that 98% of all sex crimes are committed by only one sex, on the other?

Once again, questioning a press report is not the same as contradicting it.

I'm checking news reports that don't fit with established statistical patterns for violent offending by the sex of offender.

Violent and sexual offences are committed by men 93% and 95% of the time. Where such an offence is reported as being committed by a woman, I check whether the press are lying, because we have seen many times that they are.

Whether the offender is trans or merely pretending to be trans to get a lighter sentence is unknown to me and also irrelevant. I am interested in correcting the record when male pattern violent crimes are committed by men and blamed upon women.

What kind of person accuses women who are protecting themselves against institutional gaslighting of being transphobic for doing so?

I agree with the police man who said there is more important information about this crime and whether somone is transgender or not should be the first thing or the main thing people should be asking about. I find it crass.

People are trying to make sense of an unfathomable tragedy - if the police describe the perpetrator as female, it's reasonable to check what language they are speaking in to be able to understand the facts of the situation.

If the police genuinely believed the perpetrator being female is irrelevant to the case, they wouldn't have included this information in their statement.

The fact that they stated she was female but that whether or not she is trans is irrelevant suggests that they want everyone else to accept that their secret definition of female is the one we should all accept as fact, despite the fact we don't know what they actually mean by female.

So it is just news about women that you fact check so thoroughly then

This is because transmen aren't taking sporting trophies from men, nor are they warping the shoplifting and TV Licence non-payment (back when you could be jailed for that) offending figures to make it look like more men are committing these crimes than really are.

because the transgender issue is so important to you all.

Wrong. Women not being defamed as a class by having more murders and rapes ascribed to us than we actually carry out is important. I don't care whether Isla Bryson was reported as female because he identified as such, or because he lied about his gender identity when he was arrested, or because the custody sergeant ticked the wrong box by mistake. I care that a man's crime was wrongfully ascribed to a woman.

why the shooter did what they did

Can you not see how sex is absolutely critical to understanding that? Can you not see how being raised as a boy and having typically male levels of testosterone would substantially alter the likely motives of a male shooter compared to a female shooter?

I find it crass that you are exploiting this tragedy to tell women to sit down and shut up about the routine gaslighting we are abused with every time a violent criminal is reported falsely as being a woman.

I personally think it's in bad taste to start transvestigating someone immediately in the aftermath of such an awful crim

I personally find just about every aspect of this bonkers movement in bad taste, particularly pink leggings and grotesque fake breasts. Oh and fishnet tights.

I think it’s not only reasonable it’s also necessary. The press now frequently misinform the public that a man is a woman. There was one such report on the BBC this week in which a crime carried out by a man (Zoe Watts) was reported as having been carried out by a woman (no mention even of his trans identity). If the press continue to lie like this you can expect that every crime reported as being carried out by a “woman” (especially crimes such as rape, murder, and violent assault) will be reasonably questioned. The press and the police can stop this speculation over night when they stop lying to the public about the sex of perpetrators.

Why is everyone referring to a schoolchild as a woman?

“Everyone” isn’t.

You understood what was meant though? Female person. The 'mis-ageing' is not the main point here.

This was already discussed. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5232045-female-school-shooter?reply=140651121