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UtopiaPlanitia · 27/12/2024 13:17

Even with the Pesutto defamation ruling, ABC are still describing the LWS event as ‘anti-trans’ - infuriating!

I was very surprised to see ABC stating that Pesutto had a reputation for grace under pressure and in defeat. Given how he’s been behaving in recent years towards Moira, Angie and Kellie-Jay that is not a side of him that’s been prevalent for a while.

I try not to take pleasure in other people’s misfortune, because we can all feel empathy for each other despite our disagreements, but I can’t help feeling justice has been most definitely done in this case: John Pesutto worked very VERY hard to create his own misfortune and so I’m not feeling sorry for him today. He tried to ruin the reputations of three excellent women and tried to besmirch the motives of the attendees at the LWS events. He brought the consequences on himself by telling outright lies and not caring that his behaviour was ruining women’s lives.

FeralWoman · 09/04/2025 13:21

Update on Deeming v Pesutto: there’s a genuine possibility of Pesutto having to declare bankruptcy due to the costs involved in Deeming winning the case, her legal fees that he has to pay and his own legal fees. A politician who declares bankruptcy can’t continue as a politician and this would trigger a by-election in his state electorate. Not what the Liberals want with the federal election coming up on May 3! Grin (I hate the Liberal Party.)

Costs are being finalised in court.

Potentially bye bye to Pesutto!

www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-09/vic-libs-john-pesutto-moira-deeming-defamation-bankruptcy/105154946

TheSandgroper · 09/04/2025 13:44

@FeralWoman Thanks for posting this. I had seen it but I forgot I had this thread running.

The Big Swinging Dicks don’t seem to be running to help so he must be unbelievably toxic.

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anyolddinosaur · 09/04/2025 14:07

Oh dear, what a shame.🎻

Helleofabore · 09/04/2025 14:17

Thanks for that update Feral!

TheSandgroper · 09/04/2025 14:33

So, I used my library ticket and did a search. The ABC article has much of a The Age article from March 28. Page 1. Kennett has tapped the Liberal Party funding arm with no joy. But a Deeming supporter said “he lost the case and she has lawyers to pay”.

I have an invitation to a thing with Jacinta Price on Saturday and am a bit inclined to go. I will have to see if I get the car.

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FeralWoman · 09/04/2025 14:47

@TheSandgroper Dutton’s pick for Aussie DOGE? I don’t know how you can stand to be near Liberals. The ones I encounter when going to vote are annoying and slimy enough.

TheSandgroper · 09/04/2025 14:58

I have decided that this year I am a single issue voter.

And voting Labour this year quite possibly means Adam Bandt will hold the balance of power. Absolutely Fuck That. He was on National Press Club today and hasn’t made me change my mind. Terf talk Downunder on Youtube a couple of years ago had an interview with a woman who was a Greens member from years ago. Nope. They get nothing from me. I will be voting backwards on both papers, starting with the Greens. Shame, really. I was proud to vote for Jo Vallentine.

Oh, and Adam Bandt wants to shut down the NW Shelf gas. Jeez, the man’s a dickhead. That’s almost the whole of WA he’s wanting to shut down.

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TheSandgroper · 09/04/2025 15:00

I watched Jacinta Price on NPC some months ago. She is extremely impressive. And she’s not a stale, pale male.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/04/2025 16:15

Oh no, how sad.

BezMills · 09/04/2025 17:11

Ah hahaha ha. Almost funny enough to wish for a certain prosciutto cheerleader to come back and take they lumps.

But no, on balance better they stay gone tbh

Codlingmoths · 11/04/2025 15:27

FeralWoman · 27/12/2024 07:19

If you search for “libspill” as a hashtag on Twitter you’ll find tweets about the leadership spill.

It was just on the tv news. Deeming said that today Pesutto shook her hand and said sorry. She said that it meant a lot and publicly thanked him. I don’t believe that he meant it.

I’m confused as to how Pesutto polls so well and has such a high approval rating in Victoria. What do Victorians like about him? I’ve seen people say that he’s a good communicator and honest. Ha ha ha! No he’s not!

He’s quite a decent guy. He’s a centrist in a not too centrist (by Aust standards) party and we could do with more of them. A couple of elections ago he impressed Australia by being live on tv on a panel on election night and having to chat through watching losing his own seat in a shock swing, which he carried off with grace. I think he made a huge mistake, but the driver for the mistake was trying to rehabilitate the Victorian libs. Obviously he missed the target by a long way and forgot some important things about free speech, but I hopes hes not bankrupted and wouldn’t mind at all if he’s reelected. People are multi dimensional.

BezMills · 11/04/2025 15:38

Fair enough @Codlingmoths and I think he had a massive chance to own his mistake, say sorry, make amends - before during and after the completely avoidable court proceedings.

I've redacted my quite unsportsmanlike language summarising what I thought of his demeanor through this whole self inflicted farago. However my thoughts are recorded in threads passim.

My view, in summary : redacted is as redacted does.

Cailleach1 · 12/04/2025 07:35

I’d imagine Pesutto, the politician, knows how to play the long game in the interests of his ambitions. It would be highly self-controlled and politic to publicly show grace in defeat. Certainly if he was ambitious to playing the long game in a political career. He obviously knew he would run again. And, it worked - he then went even went on to become the leader of his party. Maybe helped with people apparently giving him kudos for his apparent self-control, which was in his self-interest, on public television. I imagine sang froid is a very handy attribute in a politician. Able to carry out more calculating moves without emotions getting in the way. Well, only the emotions they want the public to admire, and will lend to furthering their career.

Indeed, that makes the ease with which he went on to try to ruin Moira Deeming's reputation and career all the more cynical. In a man of such cool headed, controlled behaviour. Any possible impediment to his ambitions thrown overboard without any apparent thought, or concern, to due process or fair hearing. Obviously not even the excuse of being a ‘in the heat of the moment’ type of chappie. Although that wouldn’t excuse it either.

It is a while since the judgement, but it was not flattering of Pesutto. Rather disparaging I thought. Even the evidence he provided to the court.

So, he tried to destroy a woman’s reputation and career on a false premise. That he did such a dishonest and deplorable thing because he thought it would help further his own political career, with the assumption it would make the party he leads more electable, doesn’t cancel out that deplorable thing. It is not exactly a great endorsement of his character. It rather blows a coach and four to notions of him being a ‘decent’ person. A cold and calculating politician to be sure. He obviously thought he could smear the reputation of multiple women without any consequences. He didn’t seem to consider the women he smeared could, and would, fight back and stand up against his smears.

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 16/05/2025 02:29

Blimey. That’s the very manifestation of FAFO. It could not happen to a more deserving person.

FeralWoman · 16/05/2025 03:08

Good. Sucked in Pesutto.

SinnerBoy · 16/05/2025 03:24

Oh dear, poor man. He'll have to sell some things, like his house.

Longdarkteatimeofthesoul · 16/05/2025 04:01

You reap what you sow and Pesutto could have nipped this in the bud a long time ago but his big fat male ego got in the way! No sympathy for him or the party who supported him! I dont support many of the things that Moira does either but I very much support her standing up for sex based rights in a country that has collectively lost its mind over this issue! Go Moira!

BezMills · 16/05/2025 04:41

He did it to himself. He had ample opportunity to get out of this with some sincere admission and expression of regret.

No sympathy from me, FAFO

SinnerBoy · 16/05/2025 05:06

Peter, the shotgun's loaded.
Peter, don't point the shotgun at your feet...
Peter, don't cock the shotgun!
No Peter, don't pull the...

"Waah! The horrid Nazi TERFs did it to me!"

borntobequiet · 16/05/2025 07:23

I see women’s rights are still being characterised as anti trans in the reportage. How archaic.

FeralWoman · 16/05/2025 09:33

There’s now a crowd funder set up to help keep Pesutto from having to declare bankruptcy. If he’s bankrupt he loses his job as a politician.

Oh no.

That would result in the need for a by-election to fill his seat and there’s no guarantee that the LNP would retain the seat. Lol, that’s even more satisfying.

www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/melbourne-drive/john-pesutto-gofundme/105303018

SinnerBoy · 16/05/2025 09:35

Oh dear, what a tragedy. I wonder if it'll let me contribute an entire penny?

NotBadConsidering · 16/05/2025 09:40

Imagine having to be crowd funded for to save you from bankruptcy, save your career and life, all because you couldn’t just let women speak.