Could we ban "transvestigating" threads on here?

[Christinapple]

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5225715-ilona-maher

This one for example. Transvestigating is an informal term given to when people play detective and try to determine if a given person (usually a woman) is transgender or not from how they look e.g. photos.

I've seen it more than a few times on Twitter anytime a woman who is tall or muscular or "masculine looking" appears. Quite often, women are wrongly mistaken for being trans.

As well as being transphobic, IMO this harms all women and reinforces stereotypes of what men/women should look like. And the idea of obsessing over people's appearances like this just doesn't sit well with me.

Travelodge · Today 10:14

"TEZ" meaning please?

Trans Extremist Zealot.

For all those such as the OP and butterfly, perhaps it is a good time to read the Moira Deeming / John Pesutto case before ever claiming that feminists have alignments with 'nazi' groups again.

A judge found there was not credibility to such claims that the event in Melbourne had any such alignments in his judgement released last night ie. that claim is false, it always was.

A judge found there was not credibility to such claims that the event in Melbourne had any such alignments in his judgement released last night ie. that claim is false, it always was.

Facts and honesty don't matter to some people, who will push their message in the face of overwhelming contradictory evidence. They flog an entire stable of dead horses.

I'm glad to hear you aren't a reactionary modernist yourself. Let's help make sure feminism stays as far-right free as possible!

Ah! Thanks.

Read Herf, have we?

We see you.

A feature of the far right is that they don't support equality for women and treat feminists as targets, not allies. Pretending that the far right support us shows you are not commenting in good faith.

What part of others using proven falsehoods to mischaracterise people has passed you by?

Oh.... yeah....

How lovely to finally be able to agree with you in your assertion that currently ‘Feminism is Far Right free’

We also intend to keep Feminism male free, as (just in case you forgot again!) Feminism is for Female People.

Interesting assertion there.

Some older essentialist trans-exclusionary brands of feminism place themselves in an adversarial position where oppression is a resource war between male and female essence-bearers rather than a universal social issue that harms everyone it touches in different ways.

I practice a form that has incorporated an extra four decades of careful consideration from insightful and courageous scholars, philosophers and activists.

There are many feminisms.

The far right does not support feminists. It supports anti-trans activists hijacking talking points from exclusionary strains of feminism.

They don't give a shit about women or marginalised minorities. They're just fighting smart and using the available weapons to advance their cause and consolidate their power.

I agree with this.

Which is why it is so fucking enraging that the political left is giving them an open goal by adhering to this anti-scientific, misogynistic, homophobic ideology which harms women, children and gay people.

male and female essence-bearers

This is my new favourite ButterflyH bollocksism.

What kind of essence do female bears bear, I wonder?

[The far right] supports anti-trans activists hijacking talking points from exclusionary strains of feminism.

Feminism does not exclude trans people. It excludes male people.

Do you think stuffing us into the ovens for them constitutes winning?

I'm sorry about the blunt language here but I'm tired of beating about the bush and tiptoeing around this. I have been trying for years to get people to wake up and see what is happening. Anti-trans activism is a road that cannot be walked down without hearing the crunch of bones beneath your feet.

Please stop trivialising the Holocaust, it's disgusting.

Look, it's really very simple.

I have always leaned to the political left.

If one day the political left all start saying there's no such thing as gravity, but the far right say, "Lol, don't be stupid, of course gravity is real!" what am I supposed to do? Agree there is no such thing as gravity even though this is plainly untrue? Because the political left has lost its collective mind and so I must go along with it whether I agree or not?

No.

I work to convince the political left that they've got this very badly wrong and need to stop. Because it's wrong, AND because it's playing into the hands of the far right.

Biological sex is as real as gravity.

Gender is as real as fairies.

So what is your solution then? We let men into women's spaces? I keep asking you this question and you keep deflecting

I was about to ask what male and female essence bearers were?

Not least because I'm usually told that male and female are the terms for the biological sexes. And that man and woman are the genders.

So how can you have an "essence" of a biological sex? You either are it or your not.

FWIW I disagree that man/woman are genders. But it's what the TRAs usually tell me.

Do you think stuffing us into the ovens for them constitutes winning?

I'm sorry about the blunt language here but I'm tired of beating about the bush and tiptoeing around this. I have been trying for years to get people to wake up and see what is happening. Anti-trans activism is a road that cannot be walked down without hearing the crunch of bones beneath your feet.

Offensive and ridiculous hyperbole.

Holocaust hijacking.
Hijacking the murder of a young child and misrepresenting facts.
Trying to hijack a survivor of rapes testimony,

Disgusting.

I understand your frustration over the left abandoning its principles and kowtowing to pseudoscience that enables the far right.

Any principles which are based in anti-science and misogyny should be abandoned before they are ever adopted.

What on earth was the political left thinking going along with gender ideology in the first place?

All this.

This isn't about letting men into women's spaces.

I am not advocating for letting men into women's spaces. I do not want that.

It has never been about letting men into women's spaces for the far right.

It has been about using trans people as a wedge issue to dismantle successful coalition-building efforts against them.

Divide and conquer. We are easier to destroy bite by bite. Each part of the whole that is lost weakens the whole.

It's worked unbelievably well. They've just resoundingly won in the US. They did it by using your words against you. Now they get to brutalise all of us. That was the plan. They outright said it back in 2017. We warned it was happening. We kept saying that it was happening. We were accused of being hyperbolic. Rowling jumped aboard the bandwagon in 2019. We begged her not to. She saw that as a license to escalate and go full mask-off.

We kept saying that a fire was starting. That the house would soon be on fire. That we would all burn.

Now the house is on fire.

The fire is winning. There isn't really any point in saying we told you so, other than to shake you into realisation that yes, the house is indeed on fire and perhaps we should do something about it. We're trying not to scream as we stand in the fire trying to keep the roof from collapsing and beg for help.

Offering us ointment and painkillers against the fire when our flesh is still burning isn't going to solve anything. Nor is blaming one another for starting it.

We need to fight the fire.

But you think trans women should be let into women's spaces.

You know that most people here consider trans women to be men. So this is deliberate gaslighting.