Could we ban "transvestigating" threads on here?

[Christinapple]

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5225715-ilona-maher

This one for example. Transvestigating is an informal term given to when people play detective and try to determine if a given person (usually a woman) is transgender or not from how they look e.g. photos.

I've seen it more than a few times on Twitter anytime a woman who is tall or muscular or "masculine looking" appears. Quite often, women are wrongly mistaken for being trans.

As well as being transphobic, IMO this harms all women and reinforces stereotypes of what men/women should look like. And the idea of obsessing over people's appearances like this just doesn't sit well with me.

I think they just generally react to all the parties involved in a dispute - and by dispute, it can mean a mild thing, such as "I'm sorry, did you put my socks in with yours?", which was really the worst thing we discussed. I don't know how things would go if if got worse than this.

But it seems they just want to keep the peace, will look at you and tilt their heads in confusion, at most jump up at but not bite at all. I do think disorder and discord distress them, but they're not really different from a human being in that regard.

I guess that if a violent man were to try and beat up a woman in a domestic setting and in the presence of a German shepherd, things wouldn't look good for him.

Women being raped is not a top trumps game…

Women are not forcing you into anything, we are certainly not forcing you to post here.

Please please feel free to stop, the sooner the better

But it seems they just want to keep the peace, will look at you and tilt their heads in confusion, at most jump up at but not bite at all. I do think disorder and discord distress them, but they're not really different from a human being in that regard.

So sweet.

I know the threads moved on a bit, but my local hospital do have a separate maternity ultrasound department. So it's entirely possible that if you asked where to go for a scan you might be sent there and not radiology.

It still doesnt make any sense because the staff member would know there is two ultrasound departments and ask which one is needed.

Yes most likely.

Mrs Justice Yip called the murder "exceptionally brutal and planned" and partly motivated by "hostility" due to Brianna's transgender identity.

She stated that it involved elements of transphobic hate by Ratcliffe and sadism on the part of Jenkinson.

Weird to see the desperation with which they are being defended here. Transphobia exists in the UK. It features daily in almost every mainstream newspaper. It exists in almost every pub, street and workplace; it exists in healthcare organisations; in family homes and in the halls of government.

It is enough of a problem that the UK gained a derisive nickname to highlight the pervasive grip of transphobia on its population years ago.

It is enough of a problem that multiple human rights orgs, including the UN office of the high commissioner for human rights, have been motivated to publish reports about it.

You are defending a pair of sadistic killers who were literally documented making transphobic banter about a trans girl they were planning to brutally murder. One of them was clearly and demonstrably obsessed with her and found her transness beguiling. She leveraged the other's clearly stated transphobic views in order to convince him to help her. It's all right there in the text.

The process of inciting political violence against particular demographic through hostile rhetoric is called stochastic terrorism. This process has been ongoing for over decade in the UK.

The rest of the world has been watching. They are concerned enough that they are now regularly raising the alarm.

@Garlicwest please ignore the horrific posts comparing pushback against appropriation against what you went through.

You are a very brave person for sharing. I am so sorry you went through that

Thankyou. I think you might be the first poster on this entire thread who has not immediately dismissed me offhand or tried to denigrate or insult me for stating my own direct personal experiences.

I do wish BFH would stop lying in posts. Nobody here has defended Brianna’s killers.

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Anyway, thanks everyone for the dog chat. It was genuinely lovely. x

Since were on 'dog chat'

My little one 'identifies' as a VERY BIG Dog. No one believes her.

She's certainly got a Very Long Tongue!
Does she use it to sip nectar from flowers like a hummingbird?

Very cute pair.

thanks! I think so too x

They're absolutely lovely!

Do you have more pictures? 🙂

Thank you very much for all the flowers and good wishes 🤗 They mean a lot; writing that little post brought up more emotion than I'd expected. @Datun, @Helleofabore and @FlirtsWithRhinos have ably clarified my point that 'trans' boasts of stealth passing are alike in nature to Dominique Pelicot's or John Worboys's boasts of power over the women they abused - a claimed belief that the unknowing woman has no right of dissent.

I don't know if the boys you grew up around were this crass, but around my way they liked to chortle over slipping one past a girl while she was drunk, asleep or otherwise off her guard. We are prey. To slip one past also means to gain by trickery in a more general sense. Genderists seem incredibly proud of slipping it past everyone - women, governments, social authorities, the media, you name it.

It seems odd to brag so very loudly about your massive con trick - although, if I could afford total detachment, I'd have to admit that its global success is impressive. It takes a special kind of confidence to urge your victims not to look closely: don't transvestigate, you might spoil our show! Go back to sleep!

The purpose of these threads is to help others wake up, to notice what's being taken from us under cover of a soothingly pastel-hued flag. It's lovely to see the world gradually regaining consciousness.

What a wonderful post - thank you @Garlicwest for having the courage to keep speaking out.

Regaining consciousness it a good way of describing what's happened to women and children in recent years. Being gaslit, coerced and bullied into silence using every tactic in the abuser's handbook - even sometimes dressed up in insincere flowery language but always with the sneers and contempt.
And always intent on silencing.

It seems odd to brag so very loudly about your massive con trick

All a big part of the fun for some people.

So sorry for what happened to you

I'm so sorry about what was done to you and may that vile man rot in prison for it.

We are not enemies.

You and Worboys?

You really can't help yourself, can you?

Just got to keep themself attached to a woman survivor's posts.
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I don't know if the boys you grew up around were this crass, but around my way they liked to chortle over slipping one past a girl while she was drunk,

Yes, indeed. In fact, part of the art of seduction, which was an aspiration for young men, deliberately involved plying the girl with alcohol. It was all part of the bloody technique.

Drugging women, plying them with alcohol, deceiving them, it's all part and parcel. It's such second nature to some men that half the time they don't even know they're doing it. Look at Gregg Wallace leveraging his power over his subordinates, and absolutely indignant that it should be called out.

There are more trans people committing murder in the U.K. than are being murdered, so that must be comforting for trans people.

Whereas 3 times as many women are murdered than are prosecuted for murdering others.

@Garlicwest 💐

(a friend of mine managed a narrow escape from Worboys circa 2003, I still remember her shaking as she told me about it - didn’t discover it was him until many years later. Horrifying how just one predatory man can harm so many women)