Is it too early for a post mortem?

[Appalonia]

So, now that America has categorically rejected transgender ideology, which I do think will affect the rest of the world, is now the time to ascertain HOW did so many institutions, including the Democratic and Labour Parties get so completely bamboozled by this ideology? Which is crazy, not based in material reality, disadvantages half of the population, has physically damaged thousands of young people, and that they didn't think that people would see through it?

I know a lot of people dislike Matt Walsh, but his documentary, What is a Woman, was jaw dropping! We must NEVER let this dangerous idiocy happen again ( and yes I know it's not over...)

the sociopathic lack of any sympathy at all for females, for rape victims really gave the game away. I could look past it if they only said a single line or word of acknowledgement/empathy. If they only said one word, even just one. Nope, radio silence. No acknowledgement, no sympathy, not even an attempt. Nothing. Like as if they're a block of ice.

YY, exactly.

No technology will be ‘perfect’ unless we have a machine that will completely rebuild a body to specifications from the atom up while retaining 100% memory.

And then we still have the issue of a male always having the foundation experiences as a male never a female.

So then we have to have a machine that will revert the body back to being an infant with no previous memory. Which will have many ethical impacts on humanity. And the only way to really do it is to turn all of time back so the previous version never existed which means every other human will be directly impacted.

Changing human sex categories is impossible.

And no male person can ever experience life as a female person no matter what changes are made. Or when. Because no human can change sex.

No male person can be a girl or a woman.

That's a very revealing post. It's a hyperbolic personal attack - but I'm not reporting it as it showcases everything that's distorted about this ideology.

The contrast between your self centred posts & the posts of women on here is stark. We speak about the vulnerable people under the trans umbrella: children thinking their growing bodies are wrong and changing sex is the cure. The young having their bodies and minds harmed by experimental drugs & brutal experimental surgery. So many of them mentally unwell yet receiving no treatment for their co morbidities. The decriminalisation of indecent exposure and flashing by forcing women and girls to undress in front of men. The destruction of women's sport. The negative impact on society by upending the social contract and our laws, all intent on enforcing on society the lie that sex change is possible.

There are countless places online where you could post & receive unqualified approval for your self absorbed comments. Yet here, where women gather, is where you choose, berating, misrepresenting and smearing women.

All showcased in your post.

The last decade of your life has been one long tantrum ever since you discovered trans people not only exist but expect to be treated like human beings.

Treating trans identifying people like they are human beings means acknowledging that humans, as mammals, cannot change sex (check out the clause on primogeniture in the GRA- the writers of the law knew that women can't really ever become men). It means having the same human rights as everyone in the workplace, in healthcare etc. It doesn't mean additional rights such as falsifying documents of public record, or the right to free cosmetic surgery on demand. It doesn't mean forcing others to lie or pretend. Or the right to overrule child safeguarding.

I will leave it to lurkers to decide whether it's "tantrum" behaviour to care about child safeguarding, medical ethics and single sex rape services.

Oh, and I read this morning that Biden is going back on his word and issuing a presidential pardon for his Wrong Un son. But the Democrats were the choice for those with moral integrity!

It's all so very me! me! me! isn't it? That male agressive energy without a suitable outlet running rampant, erect almost.
The post you quote is so full of assumptions that make no sense. It feels like someone top of their lungs screaming at the whole world because the world isn't the way they want.

What legal protections have been taken from you?

The more I read, the more I think it was fundamentally unkind for anyone to pretend to believe in sex change from the beginning. Surely there was another way.

IdyllicDay, I'm so very sorry that happened to you.

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I will leave it to lurkers to decide whether it's "tantrum" behaviour to care about child safeguarding, medical ethics and single sex rape services.

It's pure projection.

narcissistfamilyfiles.com/category/the-narcissist-family-files/the-narcissists-funhouse-of-mirroring-and-projection/

All the toys have been flung from the pram now, and I still believe that the reality of biological sex is more important than the nebulous (and contested) concept of gender identity.

Sorry meant to quote you @Beowulfa

Yes eresh.

It has been pointed out by many of us over the past couple of years, hasn’t it ? Naming that particular issue often results in deletion though. However, I think the lurkers will better understand the dynamics of this thread with that link you have posted. Thank you.

The very fact that the post you quoted was responding to your rather measured post is highly significant. And yes. It was a personal attack. You became the scapegoat for that poster’s frustrations.

Are you incapable of comprehending nuance and the possibility that more than one thing can be true at once, or do you choose to maliciously interpret everything I say?

I do. Regularly. You just ignore them as you skim through looking for hooks to hang personal insults on.

There are many falsities in this post, and some have been already addressed.

The fact that you, Hatched, directed this post at MrsO made this a very personal attack. And shows just how little impulse control you seem to have.

However, this below is so overly emotional and dramatised that it exceeds those "hyperbole and emotional manipulation" comments I keep making.

"You're now the face of an international hate movement dedicated to destroying people like me. The evangelist right uses your words to ban our treatment, strip our legal protections and drive us from society. Nazis salute openly and turn up to your rallies while repeating your slogans. Well fucking done."

There is no 'international hate movement dedicated to destroying people like you' which I assume you to mean 'transgender people'. There just isn't. And if a group of people feel that decisions to re-prioritise the needs of female people where sex matters and prioritising children's needs is 'destroying' them, I think that says a great deal. It certainly puts just about everything you keep claiming under a different lens for anyone who has not been familiar with the issues and your posting style.

"The evangelist right uses your words to ban our treatment"

Ban treatment? Or ban the treatment being subsidised by others, particularly by governments? And again, treatment for what exactly? Treatment for a philosophical belief. Which other philosophical belief has treatments that result in turning physically healthy patients into life long medical patients with too often debilitating, life limiting and even life shortening results?

Seems to me that there is a group of people who are very angry for being treated equally, in many ways, compared to other groups in the population. Why should one group receive such low standards of care at their own campaigning?

"strip our legal protections"

I echo others here. What legal protections have been stripped? Or do you consider additional privileges that some countries have put into place to be 'legal protections'?

"drive us from society" is just more catastrophising hyperbole.

"Nazis salute openly and turn up to your rallies while repeating your slogans."

I think actually you need to get your facts correct here. Are you talking about the Melbourne rally? Because if that it is the case, this is falsehood combined with a truth.

Doesn't make it relevant or true.

Yes. Nazis openly saluted. The same group openly saluted at an ANZAC memorial service too, do you want to make the statement that ANZAC memorial services are somehow connected to that neo-nazi group? I mean, would you like to try that because it seems to fit your current flow of posting.

Now, what slogan did those nazi's repeat exactly? Please do provide this. Quite a few of us have looked at all the footage now and I don't think that anything they have said was a feminist slogan. You might like to check though. They were there to support another group of people who they stood directly behind. A group who also legally protests on the stairs of the Parliament House where the women's rally also legally was held.

Your haste in making such an accusation has meant you didn't do your research adequately.

Your posts are really highlighting incredibly well the tactics that some activist groups use. Including making a personal attack on a poster the way you did.

Please post the links to the studies that support your position. You know we read them all so use the opportunity to 'educate' us.

This is one of your less coherent arguments.

Things can have multiple qualities at once.

Treatment can be imperfect but still life saving.

As the medical profession worldwide has been regularly finding for the best part of a century, transition is the best treatment we have for gender dysphoria.

It is imperfect.

So are knee replacements.

People can still have a rough ride even on top of imperfect medical technology, because society still has a massive transphobia problem, and it is getting worse.

You are part of the movement actively contributing to that.

When trans people are abused, their mental health is impacted.

Transition wouldn't be sunshine and flowers with or without the constant abuse. The abuse just makes it more difficult.

You are saying transition doesn't work, as part of a movement dedicated to making sure it doesn't work.

Despite your efforts, it remarkably still works.

Cass report disagrees with you.
Perhaps you are more qualified than Cass in this area?

Ok, show us what research shows us that medical treatments work for people who say they’re trans.

You said it’s demonstrable. Demonstrate it then.

Butters just called us nazis. That crosses a line and i hope mn take my report for that post seriously

Previously on essentialist metaphysics 101: one drop of maleness is enough to ensure a whole body is irrevocably infested with sin for life.

Reality is more complex than this. People are more complex than this. More than one thing can be true.

The irony of you spending pages telling me to listen to women when I spend most of my free time listening to and reading the brilliant work of the other women in my life is really something.

I'm here precisely because I listen to other women. I'm one of the only people I know with the patience and bloody-mindedness to even bother trying to make a difference.

No I didn't. If you are confused, please re-read. You may or may not believe in that ideology, but regardless of what you personally believe, it definitely believes in you and is laughing its way into the echelons of power worldwide while co-opting your words.

the legal protections have been taken from women and girls. Not trans identifying men (or women)

Women are told they should die in a grease fire and be decapitated, and lesbians must accept girl dick but WE are the NAZIS?

I reported the post, am going to assum MN will allow it to stay, and perhaps it should. Because it shows that while we argue and make points in good faith, the TRAs just want to take EVERYTHING. Including the words we use about ourselves: girl, woman, mother, wife. I notice they don't want the drudgery that is a woman's life in Afghanistan.