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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rosie Duffield nails it again on X

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YellowAsteroid · 11/11/2024 15:08

https://x.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1855700140780118098

She writes:

Men with profitable platforms who are just beginning to realise it may no longer be in your best interests to call us feminists/allies 'bigots' and 'transphobes', and now pretend to understand that the tide is turning, do you REALLY think we haven't kept all the receipts....?!

Oh dear, Campbell and Stuart, I think she might have hit on something there ... YOur dismissive attitudes to women's rights (to single sex spaces, fair sports, safety if imprisoned, ability to name what and who we are, ability to use our language about our bodies) - yes all those unimportant things - turns out they were actually pretty significant in the world's most powerful country.

Brava Ms Duffield!

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https://x.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1855700140780118098

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RedToothBrush · 13/11/2024 15:10

In wanting to appeal to better off voters the economics of left wing traditions were forgotten.

Especially since these dipped into the edges of socialism which America is particularly adverse to following decades of conditioning of the red threat and fear of McCarthism.

Ironically we now have that 'red threat' being echoed again in the most recent narratives. But as an internal thing as much as an external one...

RoyalCorgi · 13/11/2024 15:10

How anyone holding (or pretending to hold) luxury beliefs like genderism can call themselves leftwing is beyond me.

The adherents of genderism are misogynistic, homophobic, viciously authoritarian and anti-free speech. That's about as close to fascism as you can get.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 13/11/2024 15:15

My left wing friend thinks its all because they wouldn't vote for "a woman of colour" so as long as they think like that they're going to be out of office a long time.

Ilovecashews · 13/11/2024 15:39

INeedAPensieve · 13/11/2024 14:09

Suzanne Moore has written an excellent article about Alastair campbell and mansplaining the issues to us.

Article link

Sorry I'm not sure how to archive it myself but if posted into archive.md it should work to read without a subscription

Can I read it somewhere else? I don’t have access to it. Thank you

Orangedoll · 13/11/2024 15:54

Ilovecashews · 13/11/2024 15:39

Can I read it somewhere else? I don’t have access to it. Thank you

https://archive.ph/wEfMm

here you go

RexsSoupCan · 13/11/2024 16:55

Orangedoll · 13/11/2024 15:54

Thankyou that is an amazing piece of writing and so true

Grammarnut · 14/11/2024 09:34

Agree. Bilek exposes the transhuman agenda behind trans ideology. I think this agenda has permeated our society in the last couple of decades. Huxley's 'Brave New World' made real. The idea of external gestation of children has turned up in science fiction and now appears in quite mainstream places such as Star Trek and in Asimov's stories involving e.g. the robot Daneel Olivaw. Surrogacy has been around in sci-fi for decades e.g. Robert Heinlein's 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' (the heroine gestates babies for other people), and in fantasy novels, for example, 'Sword Catcher' by Cassandra Clare (is her name indicative that she sees herself as a prophet who is not believed?).

Most of these sources point out that both external gestation and surrogacy are detrimental to society. They are also signposts on the way that humanity looks as if it is going. A huge effort is needed to derail such projects, currently spearheaded by the Trojan horse that is transgenderism.

teawamutu · 14/11/2024 09:41

I think the only point on which I disagree with that coruscating article is that Campbell hasn't just ignored the issue and now started mansplaining; he's on record multiple times over the past couple of years actively sneering at women's concerns and dismissing them.

Now he's (a) realised even silly wrongthinking women's votes are counted in the same way as the cool progressive people's because (b) a man has told him so.

Christ I despise him.

BezMills · 14/11/2024 10:30

I agree Campbell deserves every brickbat he's copping

ArabellaScott · 14/11/2024 10:44

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 13/11/2024 14:36

It is infuriating to witness – from those now suggesting that it was always possible to advocate for compromise – the absolute refusal to address the fact that if you say anything that suggests trans women differ from other women (beyond them being the most marginalised women), you have already committed a sin so heinous it will be used to justify the most violent punishment.

Absolutely this. I would have loved to find some compromise, years ago, before I saw women (and some allies) being terrorised, sacked, vilified and threatened with death.

Now I just want all men out of women’s spaces, an end to genderist propaganda in schools and the NHS, and a ban on transing drugs or surgery for anyone under 20.

Any compromise we try to make with genderists simply lets them take another step further into our space, from which to make bigger demands.

Yes. A few years back we were hopeful of middle ground. It became apparent this was a fallacy. Either women exist as a sex and have rights based on that sex, or they don't.

YellowAsteroid · 14/11/2024 12:19

Agree. Bilek exposes the transhuman agenda behind trans ideology. I think this agenda has permeated our society in the last couple of decades.

Agree @Grammarnut Bilek’s been working on this over years and she exposes a really worrying agenda of a combination of MRAs and big pharma.

But - call me naïve - but I can’t see why. What’s in their interests? apart from the big pharma money, I suppose.

I remember an early comment here on MN back in maybe about 2017 when’s very astute poster commented that as Western women are moving away from the hormonal contraceptive pill and HRT big pharma needed to find other markets - men who fantasise about femininity perhaps? But it’s not a huge market in comparison.

And what’s the advantage of fake wombs? Aren’t there enough poor women in poor countries to go around (satire alert) ?

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DeanElderberry · 14/11/2024 14:32

"less polarisation" and "more attempt at understanding" just means 'do as the men tell you without any backchat' doesn't it?

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2024 14:37

DeanElderberry · 14/11/2024 14:32

"less polarisation" and "more attempt at understanding" just means 'do as the men tell you without any backchat' doesn't it?

Pretty much.

It's up to them to otherwise acknowledge and solve problem areas giving people concerns.

Without action of this nature it's just another way of saying shut up.

teawamutu · 14/11/2024 15:04

DeanElderberry · 14/11/2024 14:32

"less polarisation" and "more attempt at understanding" just means 'do as the men tell you without any backchat' doesn't it?

Yeah. 'Stop yapping about your rights and move over girls. Men will be sad if you don't.'

DeanElderberry · 14/11/2024 15:06

poor sad mens

DeanElderberry · 14/11/2024 15:07

poor sad oppressed mens

YellowAsteroid · 14/11/2024 16:01

The most oppressed of all the oppressed. Foreva!

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Grammarnut · 14/11/2024 18:02

YellowAsteroid · 14/11/2024 16:01

The most oppressed of all the oppressed. Foreva!

With any luck!😆

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