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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rosie Duffield nails it again on X

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YellowAsteroid · 11/11/2024 15:08

https://x.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1855700140780118098

She writes:

Men with profitable platforms who are just beginning to realise it may no longer be in your best interests to call us feminists/allies 'bigots' and 'transphobes', and now pretend to understand that the tide is turning, do you REALLY think we haven't kept all the receipts....?!

Oh dear, Campbell and Stuart, I think she might have hit on something there ... YOur dismissive attitudes to women's rights (to single sex spaces, fair sports, safety if imprisoned, ability to name what and who we are, ability to use our language about our bodies) - yes all those unimportant things - turns out they were actually pretty significant in the world's most powerful country.

Brava Ms Duffield!

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https://x.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1855700140780118098

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Mollyollydolly · 11/11/2024 19:33

They're crapping their pants after what happened in America this week. And although they'll never admit it they must have seen the analysis that said this was the third most important issue overall and the most important issue for people who switched from Democrat to Republican.
Suddenly they're interested .. they can both fuck off to the back of beyond, especially Stewart who I was a fan of, he was well aware of the issue in women's prisons.
They banged on and on about abortion and how it would win Harris the women's vote, completely missing there was another issue bubbling underneath, that they missed completely. They haven't got a Scooby doo.
I watched their election coverage on YouTube and they were wrong about everything, apart from Dominic Sandbrook who called it for Trump and examined it from a historical perspective.
The only woman he's asked on is JK Rowling because she's literally the only woman he's interested in listening to, she'll tell him to fuck off and rightly.
Honestly if I saw Campbell walking down the street I'd nut him.

Myalternate · 11/11/2024 19:36

lechiffre55 · 11/11/2024 17:22

Written by a woman. Words invisible. Would just look like empty pages to them.

🤭 that made me laugh 🤣

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 11/11/2024 19:54

Whenever anyone says 'it's complicated' about basic biological facts, I think 'ah, a misogynist I see'.

No one who is not:
A- brainwashed
B -staggeringly dim or
C - does not see woman as deserving of human rights
Can find it complicated. It's unbelievably simple. Sex matters, for women's and children's safety (and privacy and dignity). Even other species know this.

GreenUp · 11/11/2024 20:12

I really wish they'd have Joanna Cherry KC on to their Leading podcast to discuss the issues as I think she has all the strengths to provide our best case to a very large audience.

  1. She's an ex senior politician of note whose career was badly impacted by genderism. TRIP podcasts are focused on politics so a top politician fits the bill.

  2. She's a leading KC who understands and more importantly can argue coherently and speak with authority about Equality law. The biggest case in the GC movement is about to happen at the Supreme Court as a result of the Scottish fightback so she could explain the issues to listeners.

  3. She's lived through the crazy gender scene in Scottish politics that saw rapist Isla Bryson imprisoned with women, the rise and fall of GRR reform, the madness of the Greens and SNP politicians and the contribution of genderism to the downfall of Nicola and Humza.

  4. She's a lesbian so she can speak firsthand about the issues that genderism poses to same sex attracted people in a way that Helen Joyce or JK Rowling can't.

  5. She brought and won her own discrimination case against the Stand in Edinburgh who tried to cancel her so she can speak to free speech issues which men seem more interested in than bathrooms.

If anyone knows JC or TRIP creators - can you put the idea to them?

Mmmnotsure · 11/11/2024 21:18

Of course Alastair Campbell would like JKR on his platform.

Frankly, she's out of his league.

Toseland · 11/11/2024 21:23

What are the plans for the great gender critical movement in 10, 20, 30 years? The number of gender critical people will be much lower and the remaining ones will be mostly elderly and the now-young generation who are trans-supportive will be the ones in charge of the Gov and media.
LOL, I'm sure this was the plan. However people age. They grow up. They see value in the truth. They love their families. I don't believe the now young generation (of which I know many) are all 'trans supportive'!

miri1985 · 11/11/2024 22:48

I'm a TRIP listener and I find their refusal to discuss the issue incredibly frustrating. When the Bute house agreement broke down on the basis of Trans issues they didn't mention that was a factor at all.

Their refusal to honestly engage with the subject because they know they'll get backlash is so craven. I feel like I have Gell-Mann amnesia when it comes to their podcast.

How on earth can they decide that they are experts or have the ability to speak on every other topic but this one. Why can they talk openly about a subject that will never effect them like abortion or prisons why do they have the capacity to understand about that but this one just toss their hands up and be like couldn't possibly understand or do any research.

As people have said upthread Rory has mentioned a number of times hes listened to the Witch Trials of JKR. I think hes towing AC's editorial line and is very much cowtowed by him and doesn't want to stick his head above the parapet until hes sure that he won't get backlash for this.

I almost teared up listening to the Rest is History when they acknowledged that political violence was still occuring and Tom Holland mentioned that Rosie Duffield had had to cancel her hustings because of threats. It felt like at least someone was paying attention and seeing what was happening

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 11/11/2024 23:19

RandySavage · 11/11/2024 16:51

"Ageism is literally the only response many have"

I won't have it! That is simply not true!

... they like to pretend that GC people are racist too.

Don't forget homophobic, though they should be looking at their own homophobia.

Christwosheds · 11/11/2024 23:22

YellowAsteroid · 11/11/2024 16:28

I'm reminded of Gia Milinovich shredding Adam Rutherford on Twitter last week; that what he says in private is at odds with his tra nonsense.

That is fascinating.

Gia Milinovich is kick arse - her blog & now her podcast. So smart.

Yes, she is an amazing woman.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 11/11/2024 23:33

RedToothBrush · 11/11/2024 17:20

What about Hannah Barnes book?

Too difficult? Too many words?

Hounded isn't too long, and it's readable, with a very clear message that shouldn't be in the least controversial.

WifeOfTiresias · 12/11/2024 09:36

Christinapple · 11/11/2024 16:33

Why do people with gender critical views keep saying "the tide is turning"?

Looking at any group photo of the LGBAlliance or the KJK rallies almost everyone there is from the older generations. Amongst the younger generations almost everyone is LGBT supportive including trans. And anytime the two groups meet at a rally/protest you can clearly see it's basically older generation vs younger generation.

What are the plans for the great gender critical movement in 10, 20, 30 years? The number of gender critical people will be much lower and the remaining ones will be mostly elderly and the now-young generation who are trans-supportive will be the ones in charge of the Gov and media.

The tide will turn yes, but not the way you think or want it to.

Well, given the huge price those women brave enough to attend and publicly support the women's rights rallies, in terms of direct violence, threats to jobs and ostracism, it's not surprising that many younger women are scared to attend. Women who are retired,or close to, don't have the same economic pressures to restrict them. Though they bravely face the threats of violence even so.

It's soooo much easier to fall into line and join the woke brigade and avoid all those consequences. Many young women just keep their heads down to keep their jobs. Even so, more and more are speaking out despite the consequences and more will follow. The avalanche is coming!

RoyalCorgi · 12/11/2024 09:42

Mmmnotsure · 11/11/2024 21:18

Of course Alastair Campbell would like JKR on his platform.

Frankly, she's out of his league.

There's a wonderful quote from Richard Dawkins when he declined the opportunity to engage in a public debate with a Christian evangelist. He said: "It would look better on your CV than mine."

Ditto JKR and Alastair Campbell.

WarriorN · 12/11/2024 09:45

Saying you've "listened to the witch trials of JKR" is the "Jolly Good Person's Not My Circus But I Know Allllll About It" designed to shut down the discussion and belittle anyone who makes any more of a deal of it as a drama queen.

I've met a couple of them. Subject quickly changes to holidays in Portugal.

Grammarnut · 12/11/2024 10:16

Twerp. His two most important women probably live in the north London bubble, too.

Mittens67 · 12/11/2024 10:17

I wonder if AC outsources the basis of any other of his political views to his daughter? Or just the unimportant ones?

YellowAsteroid · 12/11/2024 11:38

In complete contrast, Justin Webb made a doughty defence of women's rights (the old-fashioned kind) on Americast last week (a BBC podcast) in their analysis of what happened.

And the podcast Double Jeopardy is stoutly & rationally sex realist - they've had Kathleen Stock & Akua Reindorf as guests over the time they've been podcasting.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 12/11/2024 13:08

YellowAsteroid · 12/11/2024 11:38

In complete contrast, Justin Webb made a doughty defence of women's rights (the old-fashioned kind) on Americast last week (a BBC podcast) in their analysis of what happened.

And the podcast Double Jeopardy is stoutly & rationally sex realist - they've had Kathleen Stock & Akua Reindorf as guests over the time they've been podcasting.

Anyone who listens to the Today programme on R4 will have picked up over the years that Justin is pro-women.

And of course, the joy of him telling PrickNews's Ben Cohen that 'he didn't know anything about him' when Ben asserted that Justin 'wasn't trans' was a joy, and picking BC up on saying being gender critical was 'a polite way of saying transphobia'.

Audio of that exchange here:
https://order-order.com/2021/06/08/pink-news-ceo-picks-fight-with-today-programmes-justin-webb-over-stonewall-controversy/

Pink News CEO Picks Fight with Today Programme's Justin Webb Over Stonewall Controversy

Pink News CEO Benjamin Cohen caused quite a stir on the Today Programme this morning, after accusing the BBC of hosting "two different gay people about

https://order-order.com/2021/06/08/pink-news-ceo-picks-fight-with-today-programmes-justin-webb-over-stonewall-controversy

nauticant · 12/11/2024 13:22

Have you noticed Justin Webb's references to genderism and associated issues on Americast are really beginning to irritate Sarah Smith YellowAsteroid? I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of falling out.

YellowAsteroid · 12/11/2024 13:51

Yes @nauticant - and it took me back to Sarah Smith's antagonistic interview of Graham Linehan on Newsnight. But the heartening this on Americast was that Mr Webb pushed back against Ms Smith, and didn't back off.

As a Today programme listener, I've long been aware of Mr Webb's general views, and he's written a book where he's very direct about women's roles - in relation to his account of his mother; I offered the example of Americast as a specific counter to TRIP waffling.

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teawamutu · 12/11/2024 13:54

YellowAsteroid · 12/11/2024 13:51

Yes @nauticant - and it took me back to Sarah Smith's antagonistic interview of Graham Linehan on Newsnight. But the heartening this on Americast was that Mr Webb pushed back against Ms Smith, and didn't back off.

As a Today programme listener, I've long been aware of Mr Webb's general views, and he's written a book where he's very direct about women's roles - in relation to his account of his mother; I offered the example of Americast as a specific counter to TRIP waffling.

Omg that was her? I listen to Americast and I hadn't clocked she was the one who did that awful attack interview on Glinner.

What a shame, I had some respect for her before. There's potentially a personal axe to grind there, then?

teawamutu · 12/11/2024 13:56

I'll add that TRIP US has been a joy - the Mooch was very direct about voters not wanting boys in girls' sports and men in women's bathrooms and turning away from the Dems as a result. And Katty Kay neither contradicted him nor policed his language, which was a relief.

WorriedMutha · 12/11/2024 14:26

Although Campbell has been beyond infuriating in ducking this issue, his journey could be useful in reaching a bigger audience. I know he has said dismissive things before and I strongly suspect his entire view is shaped by his daughter so he hasn't ever had to delve any deeper.
I have a mental list of the GC journalists such as Justin Webb, David Aaranovitch, Matthew D'Ancona, Andrew Neil, Sonia Sodha, Janice Turner. There are also the totally lost troons such as Owen Jones, Zoe Williams, Peter Jukes. Then there are the cowards who can't speak truth to power and I classify most of the rest in that group. Campbell has languished in the third group for too long but his podcast does have reach and now that he has nowhere to hide, he needs to devote some time to airing this and hopefully operation let them speak will help peak the nation.

Igmum · 12/11/2024 14:28

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 11/11/2024 16:55

The tide HAS turned in the USA and a lot of women on here correctly called it.

I would rather listen to any two regular posters on here chat for an hour than these wankers.

The Rest is Bluestocking?

Would love this (and IADNBU)

BettyFilous · 12/11/2024 14:49

YellowAsteroid · 12/11/2024 11:38

In complete contrast, Justin Webb made a doughty defence of women's rights (the old-fashioned kind) on Americast last week (a BBC podcast) in their analysis of what happened.

And the podcast Double Jeopardy is stoutly & rationally sex realist - they've had Kathleen Stock & Akua Reindorf as guests over the time they've been podcasting.

Was this the episode titled ‘Why Trump won (and why Harris lost)’ on 8 November? I want to listen to the right one and the Americast podcast has prolific output.

RoyalCorgi · 12/11/2024 14:53

It's so strange to see this sudden change with all the bros now talking about an issue that has been beneath their notice for so long. It's quite something.

I'm reminded of that famous exchange in Hemingway:

“How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked. “Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually and then suddenly.”