Rosie Duffield nails it again on X

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https://x.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1855700140780118098

She writes:

Men with profitable platforms who are just beginning to realise it may no longer be in your best interests to call us feminists/allies 'bigots' and 'transphobes', and now pretend to understand that the tide is turning, do you REALLY think we haven't kept all the receipts....?!

Oh dear, Campbell and Stuart, I think she might have hit on something there ... YOur dismissive attitudes to women's rights (to single sex spaces, fair sports, safety if imprisoned, ability to name what and who we are, ability to use our language about our bodies) - yes all those unimportant things - turns out they were actually pretty significant in the world's most powerful country.

Brava Ms Duffield!

Indeed, @RoyalCorgi

Another podcast recommendation (I walk about 2 hours a day and listen to a lOT of podcasts as I go!)

Jen Izaakson & Hannah Berelli, RedFem pod. The latest ep features a magnificent rant by Hannah about the way that the podcasting bros have ignored this issue and are now waking up.

They're sometimes very frustrating in their rambling, but worth listening to for the wonderful give no fucks rants. And for Marxists, they have a verrry interesting take on the election of Trump.

Oh another one I'll add to my list, thanks. Hannah is particularly insightful and I'm always impressed at how she understands British cultural stuff and feminism.

Someone mentioned Gia Milinovich here but I can’t find a podcast series by her. Can you help me please? Or what to listen specifically by her? Thank you

It’s called The Cluster F Theory. Find it via her twitter or blog feeds

For JKR, and Glosswitch, as for all of us, there just isn't a debate to be had here. Which is why she'd most likely not go on their podcast.

Which sounds hypocritical but it's just not possible for men to be women.

I think as well most people listening to the witch trials of JKR are rightly outraged at what happened to her and what is continuing to happen to children and womens rights but Rory probably heard a cautionary tale of what happens when you say the emperor has no clothes.

Both Rory and Alastair want to stay out of this so in however long they can say its all settled either "isn't this medical scandal awful" or "we knew all along there was no difference between women and trans women".

I could see the scorn for women in their US election coverage, women were going to save the day and vote in huge numbers for Harris and as soon as they didn't it was all their fault even though a majority of women voted for her.

They are smart men but incredibly selfish just look at when it comes to the environment, they will espouse green talking points all day but have ridiculous carbon footprints but justify it to themselves because they're so important.

They are serious political experts talking about serous political things, so arent that interested in the day to day lives of women. Especially women they dont associate with.

AC especially probably made up his mind when labour and conservatives were on the same page, so again never thought of it as a political issue.

Frankly, I would like the so called "left" to be banished until they have become sensible again and focused on what is important: worker's rights, women's rights and economic re- distribution of wealth. The US election is a national rebuke of left wing useless wokery.

This is such a good point.
I'm sure Campbell has opinions on student debt which come from his understanding of economics, as well as his beliefs about what society owes the young and vice versa. Rather than just asking his daughter what she thinks, because she's a student and a young person.
I'm going to be thinking about the ramifications of this for a while.

@miri1985 "I almost teared up listening to the Rest is History when they acknowledged that political violence was still occuring and Tom Holland mentioned that Rosie Duffield had had to cancel her hustings because of threats."
I had a similar experience, and when David Runciman had Kathleen Stock on his podcast. I don't think Holland and Runciman share alot of gender critical feminist beliefs but they responded so humanely to the really obvious bullying and nastiness that Stock and Duffield and others were exposed to. That's a whole other element to how disappointing so many public commentators have been - even if you yourself believe TWAW or whatever, does the bullying and trying to get people sacked and all not turn your stomach?

Good point miri1985. They don't want their own witch trial.

Those GC women who protest have been in danger of losing their livelihoods so young women who need their career do not dare challenge the people you support. But we all grow older, become financially stable and learn that truth matters. The tide will turn - because it always does - and the tide is governed by the Moon, a female in most religions. Bear it in mind because the Moon, especially in the incarnation of Artemis/Diana is not especially kind.

We were all young once, and many of us happily and vociferously espoused many nonsensical societal and political views. What happened? We grew up, understood the world and reality better, and moderated or changed our stance on many things, as will you, I hope, because if not, you will not have learned much at all over the course of your life.

You may be surprised at how many younger women, young mothers in particular, are not on board with TWAW and all that nonsense.

The trans activist movement benefitted from a relative lack of scrutiny for many years. That's no longer the case and that's why support has dipped so sharply in the past few years as people understand what it's really about.

What are the plans for the great gender critical movement in 10, 20, 30 years?

Hopefully we won't need it, because the world will have come to its senses.

You may be surprised at how many younger women, young mothers in particular, are not on board with TWAW and all that nonsense.

What makes me laugh - in a mirthless kind of way - is that for the past several years trans activists have done everything they can to stop women speaking out. Women were chucked off Twitter. They were reported to the police. They were reported to their employers. (Some were disciplined or sacked as a result.) They were threatened with rape, with murder, with social ostracisation.

Then, when they are too afraid to say anything publicly, trans activists shout: "Look! Everyone agrees with us!"

I'm afraid people like Chris and his chums are in for a very nasty shock when they discover just how few people there are who actually agree with this crap.

We're watching in real time women's efforts, activism and voices being erased and downplayed - a tale as old as time.
Now cowardly men feel safe enough to say something they will delude themselves and everyone around them to believe they were opposed and spoke out from the start. And when the women (JK, Kellie-Jay, Megan Murphy etc) say ummmm actually, we've been hear for years telling you this the men tell them to be polite! It's infuriating to watch. They're using the exact same tactics the TRA use.

Looking at any group photo of the LGBAlliance or the KJK rallies almost everyone there is from the older generations. Amongst the younger generations almost everyone is LGBT supportive including trans. And anytime the two groups meet at a rally/protest you can clearly see it's basically older generation vs younger generation.

I'm not convinced that's true. A few years ago my own dc and their friends (20's/30's) were totally TWAW, be kind etc. They hadn't really thought too much about it but are now much more aware of issues surrounding women's spaces/sports etc.

Friends whose kids are teenagers have said it's no longer "cool" to be trans in school - a couple of years ago it was popular to claim various gender identities, the novelty seems to be wearing off.

This 'debate' has been going on for years now, if you see the majority of the T supporter being young, doesn't that indicate that they move away from the cause as they get older. Replaced with yet more students?

Ive noticed that the make up of the demonstrations haven't changed in years - students and middle aged men.

Speaking of Meghan Murphy, her latests epi of The Same Drugs with Jennifer Bilek is a cracker!

Suzanne Moore has written an excellent article about Alastair campbell and mansplaining the issues to us.

Article link

Sorry I'm not sure how to archive it myself but if posted into archive.md it should work to read without a subscription

It is infuriating to witness – from those now suggesting that it was always possible to advocate for compromise – the absolute refusal to address the fact that if you say anything that suggests trans women differ from other women (beyond them being the most marginalised women), you have already committed a sin so heinous it will be used to justify the most violent punishment.

Absolutely this. I would have loved to find some compromise, years ago, before I saw women (and some allies) being terrorised, sacked, vilified and threatened with death.

Now I just want all men out of women’s spaces, an end to genderist propaganda in schools and the NHS, and a ban on transing drugs or surgery for anyone under 20.

Any compromise we try to make with genderists simply lets them take another step further into our space, from which to make bigger demands.

If the terfs are all going to die and solve the problem, then it's not really a problem is it?

But here we are on the mumsnets getting told about the non-problem of all the terfs dying and sorting the world out (again and again to be fair), for some reason.

Let us die in peace, you MONSTERS

😁

I know, I wish they'd bugger off and let me work on my death rattle. It's likely to be quite a long and expressive one.

Dead right. Actual genuine leftwing causes. How anyone holding (or pretending to hold) luxury beliefs like genderism can call themselves leftwing is beyond me.

Left wing / right wing was always a reflection of economics, taxation and level state intervention.

Then cultural issues started to come along.

And you have socially conservative v socially liberal. But tolerance (old fashioned liberalism) was all about allowing conservative values along side more socially progressive values.

Where the who thing flipped was when socially liberal became set in stone as prescribed values you MUST have. This ceased to be liberal and became authoritarian in nature but pretended to be socially liberal.

And that's what upset the centre ground.

But no one is willing to acknowledge this flip.