This is why so many women voted Trump

[BabyLlamaZen]

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

I think the argument seems to be it’s true, but it’s not significant because the Right are only talking about it a lot because it’s a deliberate evil plan to talk about it more than is necessary.

Or something.

Personally, the Loudoun rape case should be enough on its own to but the brakes on self ID, but no, apparently it’s only significant because of right wing amplification.

Firstly, they don’t stop. And secondly, the very very sparse research on older children (at a puberty-appropriate age) taking them is very worrying.

The Mayo study showed severe atrophy and microlithiasis in one 12 year old who had been on blockers for only 12 months which isn’t even the full duration.

would you really tell that boy that yes, definitely, puberty would continue as before if he stopped?

Being disingenuous about understanding people’s objection to middle aged men claiming to be girls, not even women, isn’t new to you.

Sincerely, I am correcting your misinformation about the effects of a medicine.
I’m also confused - as I asked if you were rolling your eyes at the thought of trans people - you said no. So I have no idea what you are referring to if it’s not simply middle aged trans women trans women.

Anyway, I don’t think this is really going anywhere.

Wrong! Going by the Mayo Clinic, Cass Review and WPATH, the evidence OVERWHELMINGLY shows, and proves, that puberty blockers are incredibly dangerous, are irreversible, and cause long term and permanent issues.

You can't lie to us when the evidence is there.

This is absolutely completely false.

No, because you’re lying about puberty blockers being reversible in this cohort. There’s not been a single study that supports this

Sincerely, I am correcting your misinformation about the effects of a medicine.

No you’re not. You’re spreading misinformation. Are you a Russian bot?🤔

Children placed on puberty blockers for gender reasons do not stop them, and go onto CSH.

How does a male blocked at Tanner stage 2 who continues PBs and goes onto CSH develop sperm? Can you answer this as part of your correction?

Left wing zealots in power imposed gender ideology top down. The mainstream media colluded by refusing to deviate from an approved false narrative (with honorable mentions for journalists in the UK such as Hannah Barnes, Suzanne Moore, Julie Bindel etc who told the truth). Once parents noticed the harmful, dangerous anti safeguarding, abusive bollocks being pushed in schools and sports, a grassroots resistance started.

People started questioning why the media (and courts) consistently place the demands of men like Dolatowski, a 6ft 5 male convicted of attacking a girl in a 'woman's' toilet in a supermarket with a history of escalation in such women's spaces, as more important than the well-being of his victim. Distorting reality and misleading the public (aka lying) by using wrong sex pronouns, which also got him more access to women and children (housed for time in a women's prison and women's hostel). None of the journalists asked the child how she perceived his sex (as he was trying to rape her), why are they clearly placing him - a paedophile - as more important in all the reporting?

People are sick of the cover ups and lies and abuse. People don't like being lied to and child safeguarding being destroyed.

Do you sincerely believe that the Cass review ”proves, that puberty blockers are incredibly dangerous, are irreversible, and cause long term and permanent issues.”
Have you read it?

Once parents noticed the harmful, dangerous anti safeguarding, abusive bollocks being pushed in schools and sports, a grassroots resistance started

This.

Any political strategist who dismisses this as tiny and bot-driven does so at their peril.

Puberty blockers are used to put a temporary pause on puberty to offer a young person more time to consider the use of cross sex hormones.
Many young people chose later to progress to CSH, because they are trans.

And bear in mind that the definition of infertility is requiring medical assistance to conceive a pregnancy after 12 months of trying naturally.

Of course, even if there was sperm to salvage (which there isn’t) males would require assistance to get someone pregnant. Females would equally need assistance if puberty blocked early, because the vagina, labia and uterus won’t have developed. So they’re infertile.

And of course puberty blockers cause infertility because it’s on the consent forms that they do. So denial that they don’t is just bizarre.

And coming back to the theme of the thread, ordinary people, swing voters, read about children’s bodies being placed in a state of arrested development and know what that means, then listen to Democrats lie to them that it’s all fiiinnneeee and there’s nothing to worry about and say “Hell no.”

Can you answer the question then? How do they develop sperm in that scenario? And get someone pregnant naturally?

Please read this that contains accurate and factual information about fertility options for trans people and the use of medications.

www.ohsu.edu/sites/default/files/2020-12/Gender-Clinic-Fertility-Preservation-Handout.pdf

How does a male in the scenario you describe produce sperm?

You realise that needing to freeze any sperm for later use is infertility, right? You’d need to use some form of IVF to be a father?

Of course you know this. You’re just acting like you don’t to disrupt the thread.

For precocious puberty, yes. Although there are side effects, so it's not "as before" - but puberty does proceed once the medication is stopped.

But where puberty blockers are given to children with gender dysphoria, there is no puberty. If they go on to take cross sex hormones, they stay on the blockers as well, until their body has gone past the natural window of puberty.

It's a physical impossibility to have the puberty of the opposite sex. All you get is a mimicry:

Females who take blockers at tanner stage 2 then testosterone will go through menopause. Their wombs will atrophy. The testosterone will lengthen their vocal chords and change hair follicle on their face and chest, but it won't lead to a widening of the larynx or sperm production. There is no "male puberty" happening here.

Boys who take blockers at tanner stage 2 then oestrogen will get fat redistribution around their hips and will grow breast tissue. But their pelvis bone won't widen and they won't get periods. There is no "female puberty" happening here.

Once each child has missed the natural window of puberty - the only puberty they could ever go through - forever, the puberty blockers will be stopped. Their brains will then attempt to complete some of the important pubertal development that continues until approx age 25. However, their brain is on catch-up because that development was blocked for years at the most crucial time, when the adolesent emotional re-wiring was supposed to have taken place. But didn't. Nobody knows the impact of this on the brain because nobody has researched it and shared their results. Even the NHS and Helen Webberley admit this. However, what we do know for certain is that a child who doesn't go through puberty will be infertile.

So it's just one giant medical experiment without any data analysis. Johanna Olsen-Kennedy is currently refusing to publish the results of her 9 year puberty blocker experiment and the NHS is recruiting for a new one. The idea that we should permanently impact someone's brain development, render them infertile and then track their life progress is Mengele territory. One small thing in his favour though is that he published the results of his inhumane experiments. Perhaps the NHS will do so with theirs too, if they ever get ethics approval for doing them and the clinical trials commence. I assume Johanna Olsen-Kennedy will continue to refuse to publish hers.

Or to put it another way:

'We must not publish a study that says we're harming children because people who say we're harming children will use the study as evidence that we're harming children, which might make it difficult for us to continue harming children.'

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1849207760463757564?t=Am2siZSQtzfBCmhhTssCfw&s=19

I was surprised.

Seems to me simply parents don't want the state trumping their rights as parents to mutilate their children chemically.

They don't want them brainwashed in schools either.

That is only true for children who have Precocious Puberty and are only on it for 6 months to two years MAX. Trans are on it on average for 5 to 6 years. If you are in puberty blockers til age 17, you're too old for puberty and your body then doesn't go into puberty at all.

It most certainly IS! There is not way you can deny that.

So much misinformation on this thread.

Odd that it was once vanishingly rare and is now everywhere.

It’s pretty much the definition of social contagion.

No it is not. You are speaking rubbish. The Mayo Clinic, not just Cass and WPATH, disagree with you. THEY, are the experts.

Factual and objective information about the impact of hormonal treatments on fertility:

Puberty blockers

Taking puberty blockers alone should not affect your ability to have a baby in the future.
But if you also take estrogen or testosterone, this can affect it.

Testosterone

If your body has ovaries that produce eggs, taking testosterone can affect the ability to produce them. If you
stop taking testosterone, your body usually starts producing eggs again. You may also start having periods again. But testosterone is not an effective birth control method. You can still get pregnant while you are taking it.

Estrogen

If your body has testicles that produce sperm, taking estrogen can affect this. It can change your body’s ability to produce testosterone, sperm or both. This can happen shortly after you start taking estrogen or it can happen later.

And again, back to the theme of the thread, swing voters know that there didn’t used to be so many kids needing essential medical transition but the Democrats and the Left gaslight them and tell them they’re wrong and these kids have always existed in the tens of thousands.

People are sick of being gaslighted on these issues. They vote accordingly. And those who lose ignore it at their peril.