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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This is why so many women voted Trump

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BabyLlamaZen · 07/11/2024 22:13

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

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Datun · 09/11/2024 12:46

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:44

Other than in cases where they don’t, external genitals correspond to what gametes a person has. (The latter is also the overwhelming norm).

I have never suggested otherwise.

I don’t know what you mean by “this can never change”?

With medical technologies you can alter the structure of a persons genitals. You can also remove a person’s gametes.

Edited

But removing a person's gametes doesn't turn them into the opposite sex! Or a third sex.

Postmenopausal have run out of eggs. They don't suddenly turn into men!!

TheShellBeach · 09/11/2024 12:46

I don’t know what you mean by “this can never change”?

Human beings cannot change sex. HTH.

Datun · 09/11/2024 12:48

Tandora

You said

"Everything in that kids’ book is factual and accurate."

Can you explain how a human being can have no sex

RainWithSunnySpells · 09/11/2024 12:48
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Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:49

Datun · 09/11/2024 12:46

But removing a person's gametes doesn't turn them into the opposite sex! Or a third sex.

Postmenopausal have run out of eggs. They don't suddenly turn into men!!

It changes whether they have gametes.

And changing the structure of their genitals, changes the structure of their genitals.

Circumferences · 09/11/2024 12:49

Doesn't change their sex though

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:50

Circumferences · 09/11/2024 12:49

Doesn't change their sex though

Well that entirely depends on what you mean by sex; again “sex” is simply a word that it’s used to describe things.

nolongersurprised · 09/11/2024 12:51

With medical technologies you can alter the structure of a persons genitals. You can also remove a person’s gametes

Sad, isn’t it? When this happens to gender-confused young people, due to ideology. Toddlers being given books telling them they can be “neither” a boy nor girl or “both” may lead to older children and teens thinking genitals are easily altered.

I won’t give my true thoughts, or my post will be deleted, given someone is monitoring this thread

TheShellBeach · 09/11/2024 12:51

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:49

It changes whether they have gametes.

And changing the structure of their genitals, changes the structure of their genitals.

They don't magically change people's sex.

People can't change sex. It's biologically impossible.

Chersfrozenface · 09/11/2024 12:51

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TheShellBeach · 09/11/2024 12:52

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:50

Well that entirely depends on what you mean by sex; again “sex” is simply a word that it’s used to describe things.

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Sex is a word that describes whether someone is male or female. There are only two sexes.

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:52

nolongersurprised · 09/11/2024 12:51

With medical technologies you can alter the structure of a persons genitals. You can also remove a person’s gametes

Sad, isn’t it? When this happens to gender-confused young people, due to ideology. Toddlers being given books telling them they can be “neither” a boy nor girl or “both” may lead to older children and teens thinking genitals are easily altered.

I won’t give my true thoughts, or my post will be deleted, given someone is monitoring this thread

Sad for who?

borntobequiet · 09/11/2024 12:53

Dead Ringers on the radio does Elon Musk with his batteries running down, droning off into vague assertions and non-sequiturs. That’s the impression I’m getting from some of the posts on here.

nolongersurprised · 09/11/2024 12:54

Maybe I don’t mean “sad”, because sad is just a word to describe things, isn’t it?

😀😀

Datun · 09/11/2024 12:55

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:49

It changes whether they have gametes.

And changing the structure of their genitals, changes the structure of their genitals.

Yes you can remove their gametes. But their body, from conception, has been formed around the production of those gametes.

That's what sex IS.

Can I ask, do you really believe that the definition of woman can be both a human who produces eggs, and a human who produced sperm but then had their penis removed?

So woman - adult human female of or denoting the sex who bears eggs isn't the correct definition?

It's human who bears eggs, or sperm, or doesn't, or used to, but doesn't now?

never mind the lack of HRT, you're going to get all these postmenopausal women who don't produce eggs, scratching their head wondering what the fuck sex they are now.

Still, good to know that you think everything in that book is factual and accurate 😁

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:55

TheShellBeach · 09/11/2024 12:52

Sex is a word that describes whether someone is male or female. There are only two sexes.

Sex is a word used to describe whether someone is male or female. We usually apply the label based on external genitalia. External genitalia usually corresponds to gametes, but sometimes it doesn’t. You can alter the structure of your external genitalia and you can remove your gametes.

Lovelyview · 09/11/2024 12:56

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:55

Sex is a word used to describe whether someone is male or female. We usually apply the label based on external genitalia. External genitalia usually corresponds to gametes, but sometimes it doesn’t. You can alter the structure of your external genitalia and you can remove your gametes.

But that won't change your sex.

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:57

nolongersurprised · 09/11/2024 12:54

Maybe I don’t mean “sad”, because sad is just a word to describe things, isn’t it?

😀😀

Yes it’s a word used to describe the experience of a particular kind of negative emotion: you said that something was “sad”, I was wondering who you thought was experiencing that emotion in that context?

TheShellBeach · 09/11/2024 12:57

You can alter the structure of your external genitalia and you can remove your gametes

Still doesn't change your sex though.

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:58

Lovelyview · 09/11/2024 12:56

But that won't change your sex.

Again, sex is simply a word used to describe whether someone is male or female; these in turn are words used to describe…. Etc. see above.

TheShellBeach · 09/11/2024 12:59

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:58

Again, sex is simply a word used to describe whether someone is male or female; these in turn are words used to describe…. Etc. see above.

Edited

Yes. And it's immutable.

Maddy70 · 09/11/2024 12:59

Well thats the consequences of single iasue voting

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:59

TheShellBeach · 09/11/2024 12:59

Yes. And it's immutable.

Words are never immutable

Datun · 09/11/2024 13:00

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:55

Sex is a word used to describe whether someone is male or female. We usually apply the label based on external genitalia. External genitalia usually corresponds to gametes, but sometimes it doesn’t. You can alter the structure of your external genitalia and you can remove your gametes.

So if I had a hysterectomy, would I go from female to male?

borntobequiet · 09/11/2024 13:04

Tandora · 09/11/2024 12:59

Words are never immutable

Uh?

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