This is why so many women voted Trump

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I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s worth the horrors of the Trump administration (and what other women’s rights will be abolished). However, I can also empathise. Books like this are everywhere in baby sections of bookshops in USA. My american friend is naturally more conservative than myself although hated Trump and didn’t vote for him previously (she abstained and then she went Biden although she says she seriously regrets) and this time she voted Trump. She said this stuff is now everywhere and it’s constant. She also showed me a baby’s ABC book which included B for bisexual (and literally then described it as people who are sexually attracted to either gender). For babies.

There certainly seems to have been a strong feminist backlash against Trump's victory with a big increase in interest in the 4B Movement in the US:

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/4b-movement-trump-election-win-south-korea-b2643558.html

amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/07/4b-movement-trump-women

Yep. McKenna NoLastName vowing not to have sex for 4 years will change the political landscape for 2028

Interestingly, in noting the “gender gap” with young women voting Democrat and young men voting Trump, the Guardian leaves out that it was the so-called gender gap that sealed the win for Trump.

Women aged 45 to 60 something voted overwhelming Republican.

Most people don't feel threatened by transgender people, until the activists say it's fine for men to enter women's spaces. Not all the men who do so will be transgender. it is very lazy thinking to assume that people who see things differently from you are undereducated, and religious people are not all right wing.

I fear that Trump will do a lot of damage during his presidency. Unfortunately I have to concede that my people (I'm left of centre) have also done damage - for example Tony Blair backing an illegal war in Iraq, and Joe Biden's removal of Title IX protection for women in the USA.

I read ANdrew Sullivans substack today, and it was surprisingly positive.

He pointed out that this election shows that much of the constant talk about racist voting leading to Trump has been shown to be false - the main supporters of Harris were white.

While Trump had the broadest cross racial support of any president since Nixon.

So if Harris is the non-racist choice it suggests white women are not largely racists, while presumably the Latino and black voters that have switched to Trump aren't racists either.

Will progressives be glad to learn the country isn't as full of racists as they thought - I have my doubts.

From the Guardian article, opening line:

“McKenna, who is 24 and lives in a rural, conservative state, recently got back on dating apps after a year of finding herself”

It’s this sort of nonsense language people hate.

The article is just an example of the Guardian bubble, thinking Tiktok videos is demonstrative of real world opinions.

And with this post, your claim about ‘education’ crumbles away. If you are the educated one, you have certainly not been clear in your communication.

So transgender females?

Do you mean female people with a transgender identity? Female people who identity as transmen but are female? Feminists include these female people in their campaigns because they are still female and will be female people forever despite their claims. People are concerned for their health and wellbeing.

Or

Do you mean male people who claim to be female but will only ever be male? Those male people who might label themselves as transwomen? Those who retain male advantage and male privilege yet have demanded access to female sport and single sex spaces?

Do you mean the male people such as Lia Thomas, and the hand full of male people in cyclocross, Blair Fleming, CeCe Tefler and the list goes on?

I mean Blair Fleming at the moment is a good example. 7 female volleyball teams have lost their games because the female player are refusing to put themselves into harm’s way. The teams female coach has been suspended for backing the female players on Fleming’s team who don’t want to be accommodated with this player (as one was when she had no idea that she was sharing a room with this male person), they don’t want to have to face Fleming’s out of control spikes in practice and turn from the ball etc. The team’s captain Brooke Schlusser, who did not consent to sharing that room with a male person, has received death threats because she has spoken out.

How many female people so far have been harmed by the protection of this one male player, Blair Fleming? How many female people need to be harmed by this one player for it be significant to you, by the way?

Because as a feminist, I say even one female person harmed by this male player is too many!

So, who are you referring to under your words transgender female?

Because if you are saying that male people become female in any way materially rather than a legal / social fiction, you seem to be the uneducated one. And all your words about projection seem to be projection.

And this is where the hyperbole shows that emotionally charged but empty point of view.

I am an immigrant. I have to ‘validate my existence’ in my new country quite often still even now I have all the ID. Every time I apply for work I have to validate my ability to legally work here. Indeed, everyone does. This is a fact of life. Before I had this country’s passport, I had to prove my eligibility to enter this country legally. Even now, to first register for a new doctor, people have to provide ID, to use a bank account you have to have ID. This is ‘validating’ people’s existence.

Yes, people who are in the country illegally deserve to have their cases assessed. They need to have avenues to legalise their status, they need the protections that offers. But even under a Harris government, discussions were forming about what to do about illegal immigration.

Your posts don’t sound ‘educated’ at all to me. Your posts just come across as zealous repeating of poorly formed and poorly informed social media sound bites.

It's not about what pronouns you are called. It's about you being called to deny your eyes and call someone else something they aren't.

It's about women and girls having safe single sex amenities. And for those that play, fair and safe sports.

I agree though that having the right to an abortion is extremely important. I would have voted Harris just based on that. But I would feel guilty that by doing so, I was endangering a girl in facilities that she should be safe in. It was a shit sandwich, no matter what you chose.

No child is born in the wrong body. Shame on you for suggesting they are, and that instead of mental help, they be encouraged to be sterilised for a social contagion that isn't real and is mental illness and not fixed by sterilisation and amputation. What next, you pander to an anorexic teen near death and say liposuction will help as that's what they want? No, shame on YOU.

Wow. You really hate women and girls, don't you? The number is a fucking EPIDEMIC! The amount of women and girls losing spots is an epidemic!

But do give us a number as to what you think would be large enough for you to sit up, take notice, and ADMIT that women and girls are being hurt.

What is your number? 5 thousand? 30 thousand? 120 thousand? What is your number?

One, is ONE TOO MANY for decent people and feminists.

@Danja2010 would you be happy for trans men (trans identified females) to be put in male prisons in the US under better trans rights?

If not, why not?

For all those who attempt to dismiss people’s valid concerns with this weak arsed argument of ‘just 1%’.

Blair Fleming is a great example. If that 1 male person has harmed up to seven volleyball teams so far, (including harm to Fleming’s own team’), that is more than six players and their team support each time. This will also include any female volleyball player who wanted to go to that San Jose uni to play in the next few years. Under scholarship too.

And this is just in the sport side of life. Changing rooms? Toilets? Did Fleming take a female person’s scholarship? What about any other female team Fleming played before… ?

It might be low balling to say so far 50 - 100 female people have been disadvantaged, physically harmed or harmed in any way. And that is ‘so far’. And just in the sports side.

With the ripple effect it could be so many more.

Why? Because a group responsible for making policy at that uni prioritised that one male person over all female people. Because one male person’s philosophical belief was prioritised over female people’s philosophical beliefs.

And that is all it is, philosophical belief. We have had numerous academics who are transgender themselves or fully supportive of transgender people remind us that. Of course, as it is now mostly Self ID that is undeniable. Because no medical condition is required, no diagnosis needed. There in fact is no definition of what it is they are identifying as, either.

So, if 1 male person causes harm to at least 50 female people directly and measurably, how many female people (ie of any age and however they identify) how many do those using this ‘only 1%’ feel is acceptable to be harmed as collateral for prioritising that one male person’s demands over female people’s needs?

This was what notbad asked upthread.

How many female people are considered acceptable to be harmed in any way for those male people to have their demands met?

Is it 1 female person? Way past that! 50? Way past that as well! The knock on impact is rather large for each and every one of those particular male people.

How many female people is acceptable to be harmed before the needs of female people are considered equal priority ?

Which affects 50% (fifty percent) of the population!

The MEDIA are ignoring it.

It's FEMINISTS who are whipping this up and we won't stop until our rights are returned. What is causing 'division' is removing womens and girls sex-based human rights. THAT, is DIVISION. You are gaslighting.

Actually, his win was one of the largest in history (sadly). So that's another thing you are uneducated on.

You just don't (want) to get it. It's not about 'transgender population'. It's about MALES in FEMALE spaces. MALES taking female sports medals. MALES in female only RAPE SHELTERS.

It's about MALES. Em ay ell ee ess. MALES.

Oh ffs, you are beyond WILFULLY ignorant at this point. No remaining votes are going to change the FACT that Trump won the popular vote easily and by a country mile.

Transgender females are different from transgender MALES.

You are ignorant and uneducated, and brainwashed by the patriarchy. It's called being a handmaiden.

Feminists don’t vote for trump. There are so many more issues affecting women but the media have convinced you this is the one because critical thought is long gone

You are not listening. You refuse to listen. The 'media' (who have steadfastly IGNORED this issue until feminists started with our rallies and marches) hasn't convinced us left wing feminists of anything. You are gaslighting because you are brainwashed by the media and in denial. Us left wing feminists are the ones who brought this issue to the fore. The left parties are ignoring it, which allowed the right to opportunistically take the topic up.

You are so brainwashed that you simply are not LISTENING. You have never had critical thought at all to start with. You're far too brainwashed to use critical thinking. You want your fanciful narrative to be the truth. And now you can't handle the left wing feminist pushback, which makes you realise you were wrong all along.

PS As a rape survivor, the right to a safe single sex space is pretty damn near number fucking one of a reason! If women don't have safe single sex facilities, nothing else matters.

It wasn’t the feminists Harris had to win over in order to get elected to be president and help feminists.

According to the most accurate data we have in the UK, most recently it's 0.44% of the population (based on the Scottish census question which wasn't such a screwup as the England/Wales one). If it's 1% in the US that just proves even more that it's entirely culturally mediated and nothing to do with brain structures or hormone washes or any of the other crappy 'science' used to try and make sense of it. That's also an absolutely huge change from what used to be such a small number that the idea of taking a census on it would have been insane.

But there's the thing. It has affected everybody. The insistence that in order for that 0.44% to be able to live at all, 100% of us have to change how we talk about our own bodies and change our expectations of public behaviour around us, 100% of the time. That we have to watch boys and girls who are our friends and family take drugs and self harm, which boys and girls have always done, but we can't even call it self harm or describe it as a negative. My cousin R is now my cousin B and has had a bilateral mastectomy aged 20. That's not OK to me. It's deeply unhealthy. And I have multiple examples in my circle. Plus a male cousin who's also transitioned, with consequent decades of post surgical complications which I also see as deeply negative.

I continue to believe that the number of registered, convinced Democrats who switched to vote for Trump based primarily on finding gender ideology intolerable is even less than that 0.44%. But the number of floaters, independents and Republicans who felt worse off than 4 years ago and who were also more likely to actually vote due to gender stuff? That's a bigger number.

This really needs to be repeated.

The ‘it is only 1%’ is very weak and very dismissive. It dismisses the magnitude of the detrimental impact on female people each male person in single sex spaces, sports and opportunities has. As rightfully stated up thread, it is approx 0.5% ie the male component, that is of concern for single sex spaces, sports and opportunities.

There are so many real life examples, even outside of sports. In the Darlington Nurses issue here in the UK, how many initially complained about the male in their change room? Wasn’t there over 20 who initially complained? So again. 1 male person causing harm to many female people just in one situation.

There was the Uni of Wyoming sorority where one male person caused how many young women harm ?

In prisons where male people have been placed in the female prisons, how many women are harmed? We know of one woman who had her sentence extended for ‘misgendering’ in the US? Wasn’t it two female prisoners in NY that just one male prisoner got pregnant ?

One male person can negatively impact many female people’s lives over the duration of their lifetime.

The utter inanity of the dismissal of ‘just 1%’ shows just how willing some people are to continue to centre a special group of male people. It is bizarre to see this though on a feminist forum.

I’m massively gender critical but unfortunately the largest burning fire for women’s rights in the US is reproductive laws.

For some women. For others it seems to have been gender ideology. Maybe women only talk about the former, because they are called names when they question the latter.

Quite.

I think it was/is a huge mistake to assume that all women care about is abortion.
That all women need is unrestricted access to abortion and our lives are complete. We will then bang our drums with joy at all the abortion.

Many women have very conflicted views on abortion. They don't think unrestricted abortion is the holy grail for women, but they do also recognise abortion bans would harm women.

They are prepared to vote to protect women's rights and to discuss where the limits should be but the democrats positioning of abortion as a wonderful thing women will do anything for (even vote for this vacuous candidate) vibes really felt distasteful to lots of women.

And women could see the lies and how abortion was being used to manipulate them. They realised they needed to vote on this at a state level and that trump had no intention of a federal ban.

And other things matter to women. Their children. Schools. Sports. Women's safety. And the right to free speech about sex and gender.

I personally find just the repeated use of the word abortion distressing. And the pretence that it's not something with distressing associations is foolish.
I have a reluctant safe legal rare and early position and many women do.

Democrats and feminists who think all women only think one way about abortion are wrong.

Evidently.
Big mistake.

Yes, it's a funny argument. It completely misses the point that this tiny percentage has such a huge impact on others.

Perhaps if just 1% of Olympians were drugs cheats it shouldn't matter. They should keep their medals. Everyone else should just budge up and accept this, because it's such a tiny number.