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lcakethereforeIam · 01/11/2024 13:19

I think a pp said 7 women.

UtopiaPlanitia · 01/11/2024 13:41

deeahgwitch · 01/11/2024 13:10

As @TheKeatingFive writes "...It just indicates how women are really thought of in Irish society."
Sad

What was the jury made up of - make / female ratio I wonder.

The jury was seven women and five men - I found it shocking that a majority female jury gave this not guilty verdict.

NitroNine · 01/11/2024 14:45

But do we know those women were female @UtopiaPlanitia?

UtopiaPlanitia · 01/11/2024 14:58

Now that I sadly can’t confirm for you these days Nitro.

I would like to think though that no matter who was on the jury they would take detailed, obsessively ruminated on threats of sexual violence (made more than once) extremely seriously. But for some reason that did not happen.

NitroNine · 01/11/2024 15:22

Is it not marvellous progress that Ireland can once again have all male juries - any mix of men & women possible in the 12, but all male?

<weeps>

GiveMeSpanakopita · 01/11/2024 15:23

This dude honestly is terrifying. He looks like the evil serial killer in The Terrifier movies. How anyone could've thought he should be treated like a woman. Utter monster.

SensibleSigma · 01/11/2024 15:35

It’s boggling that BK said in court that he meant exactly what he said, that his threat against one was worse because he hated her more, that he wanted them to suffer… and also that he was not guilty and the jury agreed.

Lancastrienne · 01/11/2024 23:12

This account by Paddy O Gorman is horrific genspect.org/barbie-kardashian-and-the-gaslighting-of-the-irish-public/

UtopiaPlanitia · 01/11/2024 23:46

Paddy’s account of the trial is chilling and his explanation of the issues caused by self-declaration are accurate as is his statement that Irish politicians don’t care that women are suffering because of the legislation that allows self-declaration.

Tropicaltea · 02/11/2024 03:16

I had thought that Barbie Kardashian was moved to the male part of the prison last year following staff complaints?

https://gript.ie/report-barbie-kardashian-removed-from-limerick-womens-prison/

That didn’t happen I take it?

REPORT: Barbie Kardashian removed from Limerick women's prison - Gript

"a nightmare to deal with"

https://gript.ie/report-barbie-kardashian-removed-from-limerick-womens-prison

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 02/11/2024 06:06

Lancastrienne · 01/11/2024 23:12

Thank you. And thank you, Paddy O' Gorman.

While there always have been and always will be horrific stories of abusers and violent, disturbed men posing a threat to women, the collusion of the state in supporting and enabling their abuse of women is utterly horrifying.

They know. They know the effect this is having on women. And they support it.

Gettalife · 02/11/2024 07:46

Tropicaltea · 02/11/2024 03:16

I had thought that Barbie Kardashian was moved to the male part of the prison last year following staff complaints?

https://gript.ie/report-barbie-kardashian-removed-from-limerick-womens-prison/

That didn’t happen I take it?

Kardashian was moved to the male wing after he made threats to the female prison officer.
Whether that will change following the not guilty/only joking verdict remains to be seen.
I would think that the Prison Officers Union would object to protect their female officers, though most unions have been captured. It's probably only a matter of time before a transwoman prison officer wants the right to search female prisoners to feel validated which will force the union to declare TWAW.
Game over.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 02/11/2024 07:59

miri1985 · 26/10/2024 15:18

Can't see it posted here yet but BK testified yesterday and I am baffled how this was a not guilty verdict

https://www.thejournal.ie/barbie-kardashian-3-6524633-Oct2024/
"Under cross examination from prosecution counsel John O’Sullivan, Kardashian admitted threatening to rape McGhee with an object so that the extent of McGhee’s injuries would be that “she would not be able to have children”.
O’Sullivan asked Kardashian “what object” would be used to rape Ms McGhee.
“I wanted to use an electric rod, but that wasn’t available to me. I remember thinking I wanted to use the handle of a sweeping brush or a mop. I wanted to torture her [Ms McGhee] sexually, I wanted to sexually electrocute her genitalia,” Kardashian replied.
When asked why use the word “object” in the rape threat, Kardashian replied: “Because I am a woman, and women use objects, that’s why I said ‘object’.”
She added: “I hate having male genitalia and I would use an object to commit rape. If a woman wants to rape, that’s how I would commit rape.”
When O’Sullivan put it to Kardashian that the trial heard it was only females that the accused had threatened, Kardashian replied: “I have threatened to sexually assault males since these incidents.”
Kardashian agreed with O’Sullivan that she had “snapped” in a fit of rage after rumours had circulated “for months” about her and the showers.
She admitted in court to making a threat to rape McGhee and making threats to “sexually assault” or “molest” Linnane.
“I wanted to punish them for life for making false allegations about me…I wanted revenge”,” Kardashian said.
O’Sullivan asked Kardashian checked if the accused had stated in her direct evidence “for life”, to which Kardashian replied: “Yes, for life”.
O’Sullivan also asked if Kardashian wanted to inflict “life changing injuries” on the two alleged victims to which Kardashian replied: “That’s correct.”
O’Sullivan put it to Kardashian that “you claim to be a woman yourself” but that the accused wanted to make the women suffer sexually.
Kardashian replied: “Yes, I wanted to make them suffer.”
She agreed with O’Sullivan of having wanted to “torture” the two alleged victims and agreed they had “deserved it”.
“Yes, but the electric rod wasn’t available to me. It applied more to Roisin [Linnane] as I hated her more than Tegan,” Kardashian said.
Kardashian, who had told Gardaí that she had been raped and sexually assaulted a number of times as a child, gave evidence that she had wanted to make “a very extreme threat” against Linnane in order “to make her suffer”.
O’Sullivan asked Kardashian “did you intend” Tegan McGhee to believe the rape threat was real, to which Kardashian replied: “Yes, I wanted her to suffer. I felt she wronged me and I wanted revenge.”"

I strongly suspect that BK got a sexual kick from being able to say those things in front of other people. Fucking weirdo who should be locked up for a very long.

Tropicaltea · 02/11/2024 10:53

Gettalife · 02/11/2024 07:46

Kardashian was moved to the male wing after he made threats to the female prison officer.
Whether that will change following the not guilty/only joking verdict remains to be seen.
I would think that the Prison Officers Union would object to protect their female officers, though most unions have been captured. It's probably only a matter of time before a transwoman prison officer wants the right to search female prisoners to feel validated which will force the union to declare TWAW.
Game over.

Okay, thank you. I did think he had been moved.

It’s just that it’s not at all clear from Paddy O’Gorman’s account (linked above) that he was moved to the male section, even though he does say he’s ’isolated from women prisoners’ so I was a bit confused.

“Even if BK were totally isolated from women prisoners, as we are told he now is, he is still able to demand the attention of female staff on the grounds that he is a woman.”

Good point made about still demanding the attention of female staff because he says he’s a woman. Very scary.

deeahgwitch · 02/11/2024 15:40

For the life of me I cannot understand how BK was found not guilty.

Lancastrienne · 02/11/2024 23:38

No it’s not clear that Barbie Kardashian was moved to the men’s section. The Mirror reported this and Gript copied the Mirror’s account but it’s speculation, it has never been confirmed or denied

Tropicaltea · 03/11/2024 10:44

I see. Thank you @Lancastrienne.

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 03/11/2024 17:30

Paddy has a link to this article on his Twitter account, lots of people commenting that it's actually a man (certainly looks like it)

At the very least, if being reported on for formal charges people's actual biological sex should be stated.

I don't know how we'd find out if it's true but if it is it's just so so wrong. Crime statistics are going to be completely meaningless if male crimes are being recorded as female. I feel so angry and sad about this.

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