BUPA being rediculous avoiding the word woman

[desiringtoremainsane]

A bupa ad in my linkedin feed.
Most people huh? Did anyone tell the men?

The only people who go through menopause are females.

Nice exemplification of much of what's wrong with trying to mess about with meanings.

-- I'll spell it out for you. Only women can get pregnant. That's part of what 'woman' means. (Which makes it a so-called analytic truth.) You think you can change the meaning of 'woman' so you can be pregnant but not a woman. But, meanwhile, 'woman' still gets used in the old way (witness, not least, this thread - this post, even). So, given how meaning relates to use, it's still (analytically) true that only women can get pregnant; you, my dear, are posting nonsense.

Possibly you believe the nonsense you write. (Or maybe you just think you believe it. But let's not overcomplicate.) In that case, you're a victim of the circumstance complained of by OP and as such, exemplfy a deleterious consequence of this circumstance.

See?

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Feminists criticise trans ideology and those who support it. Many of whom are not trans themselves (see examples "Bupa" and "men" in this thread).

Trans ideology is a very fundamentalist form of belief in gender stereotypes. Most religions and belief systems have their fundamentalist / extremist strains. I'm not fond of any of them as isolating believers and dehumanising non believers (thereby legitimising violence) seems a common trait.

Not all trans people advocate for the extreme trans ideology we are criticising. One could say it's - genuinely - transphobic to assume they do.

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Why are people on this thread playing chess with a pigeon?

Pigeons and sea lions, this thread is like a zoo! ;)

Most people are not women. The world's population is fairly evenly balanced at 50/50 - males and females. Girls are not women, and boys are not men...yet they remain either male or female.

Female is the term you are looking for. Clarity matters because without it you can easily become confused and prone to illusions and delusions.

Oh no.

“also women aren't the only ones who go through the menopause” like “ followed by “I'm not a woman but I'm pregnant, I menstruate and will more likely than not go through the menopause one day”.

ignore that stray like “, please.

However, this really is key.

Despite the group of people declaring that they are not ‘women’ because in their language women are people who simply say they are, nature abides.

Nature continues to prove that the language that some people demand is not fit for the purpose of communication where words are understood. Effectively, this group has formed their very own language subset to suit their culture, but have demanded, with some success, that the rest of the English speaking population must treat it as the dominant one. The one that should be adhered to at all times.

Despite the harm that doing so brings to other groups. In fact, that harm to other groups is derisively dismissed and minimised.

How narcissistic as a group can you get?

Anway.....a third of women's lives ? How they arrive at this figure would be interesting to know. Menopause generally lasts about 5 years tops...

A woman is an adult human female. If you indeed are pregnant then you must be female. Only human females can be pregnant.

Honestly - this is beyond ridiculous!

What ever you call yourself you remain female.

Because people are reading along and understanding why that ad is a failure.

Sometimes pigeons highlight the need for accuracy very well. And they bring out aspects that would not have been discussed otherwise.

If you find it frustrating that the rest of society is unwilling to go along with your wish to redefine fundamentally important words which allow us to describe and discuss our own lived experience just because you believe you are different and special, allow me to suggest, in the nicest possible way, that you learn to accept that not everything is about you.

I am OK with the fact that not everyone shares my beliefs about things. This is an essential part of living in a society. Please respect our right not to share your beliefs too.

I'm just amused at the posters saying, very condescendingly, 'men have menopause too - are you too stupid to google it??!!!'

Some men (not all) go through what is described as andropause. A quick Google brings up countless 'the male menopause myth' articles, which lay out quite clearly that they are not the same thing. The NHS page is quite clear that they are not the same thing.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/male-menopause/

Well, it is clear that accuracy isn’t this ad creator’s strength.

For it to be true all women and girls would have to live to go through menopause and requires menopause to happen at the expected age.

As you and others have pointed out, they seem to also group all stages of menopause into one term. Which is also not useful for this type of medical based ad and doesn’t create confidence in Bupa and its staff and its health care standards.

It is a failure of an ad for a medical organisation.

I rolled my eyes a fair bit.

I just wonder why they seem to want men to ignore and write off health issues as their menopause.

It's really dangerous to encourage men to pass off worrying symptoms as a menopause, like night sweats, palpitations, depression, anxiety, forgetfulness, breast pain, joint pain.....if a man has symptoms like that they sound very unwell indeed.

Could almost say they don't like men and want to see them ignore worrying symptoms 😔

Well quite. Assuming they've taken their stats from this paper www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507826/ (I didn't hunt, this was just the first result when I googled the citation they've given and "menopause" so might not be.. ), then they're grossly misinterpreting this statement anyway: "As women live longer, they spend roughly 40%of their lives in the postmenopausal years, which equates to more than 30 years for most women."

Seems whoever put the ad together doesn't understand: statistics, percentages, the difference between menopause and post menopause, as well as how switching the word women for people changes the whole meaning..

“Effectively, this group has formed their very own language subset to suit their culture, but have demanded, with some success, that the rest of the English speaking population must treat it as the dominant one. The one that should be adhered to at all times.”

I think I am going to start posting this in response to the repeated demands that we use preferred pronouns. I am moving from thinking a group is trying to destabilise language to suit themselves to thinking they don’t care and simply demand compliance to their new subset of language being the dominant.

A subset of language where many words now are meaningless for communication but make some people feel powerful and ‘seen’ even if it harms the majority of people and makes some people happy to be kind.

I know this was back at the beginning but I wonder if I'll get an answer.

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In the sentence you wrote, what do you mean by the word woman. If not adult, human female, of or denoting the sex who bears eggs?

Big ££ organisations, and some men and women, decide that the word "woman" no longer refers to the class of human of the female sex. To them it now means "woman gender" which is a hard to define, non universal, belief related to feelings and stereotypes, inclusive of some males.

Incredibly, there's not even a replacement word allowed to describe female humans! "Female" gets appropriated by some men too.

Taking away the words commonly used and understood to define a historically and currently opressed class of human with distinct biological needs. Not supplying or allowing any replacement words. Forcing people to pretend that there is no class of female humans called women.

And then getting sniffy on a feminist chat board that women might have objected to all this shit. Back to the kitchen with us all.

Bupa - how do we make this poster inclusive so no one can feel left out?
Bupa - I know lets just put 'people' instead of women, that covers everyone and while it's not factually correct at least no one will feel left out.

Personally I think they should have gone for the even more meaningless but more factually correct 'Some people'. Then to keep it even more vague and inoffensive have a 'might possibly'. Then of course menopause is incorrect so that needs changing to post menopausal.

So I'm going for 'Some people might possibly spend about 1/3 of their lives post menopausal'.

I do think we need an NB though just to clear everything up - NB this only applies to biological women who survive a third of the lives beyond menopause. Otherwise we could have biological men complaining that they thought they were going to spend a third of their lives in menopause.

But now of course that the waters have been muddied and hypergonadism has been nicknamed 'male menopause' we need to put something about that to avoid confusion. We can't say men or male though as we're avoiding those non inclusive terms so - These posters/slides do not include hypergonadism otherwise known as people menopause. To find out more about hypergonadism please look up our other series on people menopause that is also about people but the sort that might have hypergonadism.

So the new poster:
Some people might possibly spend 1/3 of their lives postmenopausal.

NB this only applies to biological women who survive a third of the lives beyond menopause.

NB (2) These posters/slides do not include hypergonadism otherwise known as people menopause. To find out more about hypergonadism please look up our other series on people menopause that is also about people but the sort of people that might have hypergonadism.

They may need to get rid of the silly cake though to fit all the words on.

In other words, its just bull.

Statistics are very manipulated now. Theyre really not worth the time...

Also that's not a third of that cake, it's a tiny piece they're pointing to! Someone else has had most of it. Probably a man.

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Eh?