Gender neutral language in pregnancy care

[QuirkyJadeSwan]

So I’m currently pregnant with my first and have been kind of low key annoyed with how common discussions around pregnancy and related topics remove to term woman or female (I.e birthing people). I started getting bugged by this during my trying to conceive phase and now it bugs me even more. I know it’s kind of a minor thing in the grand scheme of things but I needed to vent. Seriously going through TTC & pregnancy has made me about 10x more aware of how different physically women are.

@Lady1ntheLake because we're being reduced down to our sexual organs, our uteruses and our vaginas. Aka the things that breed and give men pleasure.

Meanwhile men aren't being rebranded as "people with penises" in medical literature are they?

So your definition of a woman is all about biology

What is yours based on then?

Actually a lot of sources do use the term "people with penises" because some women and non binary people have penises.

My social identity.

@Lady1ntheLake no, men have penises. A woman cannot have a penis.

I personally know women who do.

Now you've really lost the plot

This is a widely accepted fact.

Same. Standards of maternity care are notoriously shit. I just can't get het up about language.

I don't believe anyone is obliged to support the delusions of others. Or be coerced to call them what they are not.

They're not women.

Who has obliged you to do anything? You are free to use the word woman to describe yourself.

Social identity is socially constructed, though. It's not just about whether you think you're a particular gender. It's about whether wider society thinks you are that gender as well. If you think you're a woman because that's how you feel, but millions of women are there to tell you, sorry no actually you're not, then that's not actually your social identity.

Yes, and the earth is flat.

Language and associated assumptions, not to mention practical implications that go with it, are really important. We let our sex-based rights go at our peril.

You are making the political point here though, not OP.

As pp have mentioned, poor literacy, non native speakers and more are having to navigate this new speak for a miniscule number of people. People who can, at the first appointment declare their pronouns and ask they are used.

No, you don't.

You know men who want to identify and be treated as women. If you have a normal penis, you are a normal man. If you can't cope with this fact, you may have the condition of gender dysphoria but this is very rare. Thus, there may be other reasons why you wish to identify and present as something you are not. If you don't have a normal penis, you might have a DSD (Difference of sexual development) and should seek medical help.

PS These men will not appreciate the sacrifices you make for them and the rights and facilities you give away. When they take the "women-only" scholarship or opportunity you want or when they injure you playing sports together, you might finally understand but it will be too late.

"Pregnant person" is not a more difficult term to understand than "pregnant woman."

Last week me and my 14 year old daughter were watching those list videos on YouTube and on one particular video about the most amazing things in the world up popped "the first man to have a baby" me and my daughter just looked at each other in disbelief really because the jolly narrator was going on as if an actual man had given birth and the showing of photos of said man all pregnant and his journey of being a pregnant man and how he has gone on to have more children lol. It wasn't even number one on the list and I think if an actual man had given birth it would make it to number one surely lol. I do also wonder why if this biological woman was so adamant that they were born in the wrong body to want to change into a bloke kept on having babies.

The earth is a sphere - well, an oblate spheroid.

Mammalian species like humans cannot change sex.

Both provable, observable scientific facts.

A human with a penis is male, a man.

Why do you think the standards of care in this field are so bad?

Spoiler alert - it's because it's a service for women. And pretending it isn't won't get more funds as we all know it's just idiotic pretending.

As pp have mentioned, poor literacy, non native speakers and more are having to navigate this new speak for a miniscule number of people. People who can, at the first appointment declare their pronouns and ask they are used.

Exactly.

Spoiler alert - it's because it's a service for women.

This is why it's a women's rights issue.

Standards of care are pretty shit across a lot of the NHS right now. Not just the women's services.

Yes, and the earth is flat.

Yes, that's the philosophical equivalent of believing some males are women, well done.