Butlin's Skegness removes 5 trans women from female toilets

[TERFtown]

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1843952648460140987?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

(I don't want to call them "trans women", but I don't know what terminology gets me banned here!)

"Security guards removed five cross-dressing men, including this one, from the women's toilets at Bang Face, a dance festival at Butlin's Skegness this weekend. The men responded with a coordinated protest and the security guards have now "been removed""

Anyone up for a TERFy weekend in Butlin's?!?

Interestingly, whilst trying to behave as a woman the one thing I've never done is apply for a gender certificate.

Does that mean I'm not actually a woman?

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I don't challenge anyone's belief - be that in ghosts, god, reincarnation, Allah, a "gendered soul" or more.

What I do challenge is someone forcing their belief on to me as truth/fact. I would feel the same about any belief.

FWIW I do believe in ghosts - yes, I believe that they exist, following my own experience. However, I don't believe in god and I don't have answers about why I think there are "souls" (I've got no idea what else ghosts would be, given mine was an interactive experience) but I absolutely know why I don't think there are "gendered souls". I'm not trying to convince anyone to stop believing there are, but I'm fighting back on enforced belief. Thankfully Christians (Catholics) aren't insisting that we accept transubstantiated wine in blood banks or that we adapt sex ed in school to accommodate the exception of virgin birth... but that's exactly what TRAs are doing: they are forcing others to accommodate their belief as truth.

It's just as daft as me demanding that my local council sets aside dedicated spaces for ghosts to visit loved ones because it makes me feel hurt and unsafe that churches tell me that they've either gone to heaven or hell. FFS. And no, apart from a few little chats with my mum after she died (without interaction - just me talking out loud when I wanted to share something), I've got no intention of trying to talk to ghosts. Even though nothing bad happened, my interactive experience was both fascinating and terrifying enough.

(Edited for better clarity - and grammar)

I currently have hairy legs. I generally wax them in summer and don't bother in winter. I've always done that, even when I was younger and shaved instead of waxing my legs. I didn't wear a dress or skirt (unless it was forced on to me e.g. school uniform) until I was in my early 20s as I hated my legs.
Also I don't wear lipstick (winter or summer) unless I'm going out for the evening, and then I forget to reapply it so TBH I may as well not have bothered.

If I believed I had a gender identity, I think I'd be demi-meteo-chronodirectional-gender-fluid. I should probably use the women's loos in summer and the men's in winter if I'm faced with only two options. Hopefully I can get a flag and a stripe on the Progress Flag 🤞

Edited to add: I removed leg hair when single and/or in the early months of relationships 😂

Popping a leg on the sink, like women do as we tilt our heads.🤔

https://x.com/Sorelle_Arduino/status/1844321442055454981 Here's one of the intruding men

Why didn't they use the male toilets, just out to cause a scene

No men are women, obviously. But when they look like this one you can be - reasonably - sure they're not gay. His being in the ladies is utterly indefensible.

I wonder if a former be kinder accidentally "educated" themselves at Bangface when they discovered this guy?

Obviously they were easily recognisable by security, so everyone else would have known they were male too. Shouldn’t have had any issue with the men’s (or I guess the loo in their chalet), but no the women’s it was. Imagine if you were the only woman in the loo at the time, sitting there with your knickers around your ankles and then heard 5 male voices right outside your cubicle. They really are entitled men.

it's literally a staged event to get eye balls

I knew I would get picked up on however I worded it. ‘Living full time as a woman’ is I believe the accepted term, but obviously I would get picked up on that phrase here. So I was trying to find a better one. If you prefer ‘trans people pretend to be women full time, while corse dressers just do it on occasion’.

trans people pretend to be women full time, while cross dressers just do it on occasion

If I were to come across a man dressed as a woman only for a short time - say in a bar, or a toilet - how would I know which he is?

Perhaps that pp was trying to get their head around what "living like a woman" really looks like? Because the impression I'm getting is, anything goes and the more flamboyant, out there , public and loud, the better

Interesting though that on threads like these a poster like me who doesn't believe anyone is born in the wrong body, is often told I have no idea what it's like to be trans so should get back in my box and stop judging, let people be their authentic selves, yadda yadda.

But apparently even a biological male can know what it feels like to be a woman. Wondering why that is ...

So what seems to have happened is

person of possibly masculine build with a beard goes into toilet ( not ‘bathroom’ please, this is Skegness) . Security guard ‘cis’ female attempts to stop bearded person. Unclear whether other four born male persons are already i. The female facility, but security guards ( two) attempt to eject them. persons in question do not leave. Security calls for back up, attempts to make them leave.

What happens next is not clear because no one is under oath, and no one (surprisingly ) was filming, but it seems to have degenerated into attempted and resisted forcible removal. One person lost their wig, literally not metaphorically.

Butlins grovel, blame contractors….blah blah blah. People post on Twitter about how this shows they are the most marginalised etc, ignoring that most women would just vacate a facility if told to by a security guard.

Oh dear Butlins, bye bye

’men pretend to be women full time’

Perhaps that pp was trying to get their head around what "living like a woman" really looks like? Because the impression I'm getting is, anything goes and the more flamboyant, out there , public and loud, the better

Fair point. My sarcasm was at the situation rather than the PP but it won't necessarily have come across that way. I remember exploring similar things when I did believe that everyone had a gender identity, so apologies if that was the case and my sarcasm felt like an attack on such an exploration. It wasn't.

Hi Bonfire, thanks and all good 😊

One person lost their wig, literally not metaphorically.

I wonder if it was thrown down in protest or came off in the "scuffle". I wish I had saved the clip of the TW (in the US I think, maybe standing outside a fast food place??) who was having a go at a lady.... and when the lady didn't get intimidated by the performance the TW ripped the wig off and threw it to the floor. It was quite the reveal: if I can't persuade you with my "ladylike" ranting, I'll show you a different side of myself.

Security guards getting heavy handed is a horrible thing to watch, in any scenario. But it's the inevitable conclusion if people don't do what's been asked of them. I remember a night club bouncer threatening me with removal. I had spoken up in defence of my then boyfriend who had simply been standing by the stage when some people were messing about - I was standing next to him when he got spoken to by security. I told them he wasn't involved and they got bolshy in return. I knew that my only option was to stop talking as they had all the power (which obviously isn't always fair but it's what happens when you've got sober bouncers and drunk people). If things ended in an actual scuffle there will have been some kind of build up.

I know what you mean. There is a suggestion there's a difference between the two. In practice, there is no clear dividing line.

Or any way of telling the difference.

Five transwomen in the toilets together!

Reminds me of the toilet trips the transwomen watching the whole GRR (Scotland) Bill debacle from the public gallery made, as they were too scared to go on their own in case they were set upon by a terf! (Those transwomen that included Beth - as in that MSPs "I did it for Beth" speech Beth)

Boiledbeetle January 2023

REAL WOMEN VISIT TOILETS IN GROUPS

We have to pass the gents, and are scared, of the men who lurk by the door,
with their cocks out, quite freely, in all their galore.

So we wait, until there are six of us, and all go as a team.
Because also, in the ladies, the women aren’t as kind as they might seem.

They have a go. They tut, or scream. And can sound rather shrill,
as they look in shock, at my cock, as I get my sexual thrill.

We have been offered new third spaces, to be accommodating.
But we’ve screwed our nose at those, as they aren’t exactly validating.

But have no fear, us real woman have one more card to play.
If we are really desperate we’ll pee anywhere anyway.

You want to tell Pips Bunce that. Or whatever his name is this week- Izzard
Trans is now whatever they say it is.

Thanks for the reply but I just don't understand what 'living as a woman means', which is why I pick up on it every time I see or hear it, and ask people to unpack what they mean. The phrase has so many holes in it you could drive a bus through it.

Which pretty much shows that it doesn’t matter whether they have a cock and balk's, full beard, hairy chest, wife and kids - if they say they’re a woman then that’s enough and the entire world is expected to pander to their delusions

Sigh.

How do we tell the cross dressers from the tru trans and why would either be in the womens?