Hilary Cass on Woman's Hour 9.10.24

[WarriorN]

She will apparently be on the programme tomorrow talking about the impact of her report a year later.

I won't be able to listen but just a heads up if anyone else is interested.

My personal experience is of a friend with terminal prostate cancer who took Gnrh drugs for a short time, and then refused to any longer despite knowing this would shorten his life, because he couldn't handle the side effects.

The instructions for use for endometriosis:

”In endometriosis do not use for longer than 6 months (do not repeat)”

That ‘do not repeat’ means you must not use it for more than 6 months in a lifetime

Yes. I have been told this. And so many people have reported doctors telling women this.

And for precocious puberty it is a lower dose and also very limited time.

For 'gender affirming' treatment, these children are on these drugs generally until they are old enough to use cross sex hormones. Some of them for YEARS.

But apparently, we know nothing. And the side effects are not known or proven.

I was wondering when they'd arrive here to start spreading disinformation. Every single thread on Cass, posting the same rubbish that's been debunked in every previous thread.

There are plenty of gender non-conforming people - far more than there are transgender people

Please define clearly what you mean by 'transgender people'.

I wouldn't expect a paediatrician to lead a review into the management of adults. Dr Cass is sticking to her specialty.
This is why I think this doctor in Wales, (the BMA chap, sorry his name escapes me) is not a suitable person to review the Cass report. I believe he is a geriatrician.

Dsis used Lupron for only one IVF with her own eggs. She got one egg from it for her troubles and luckily it turned into my DN, but before she even knew if it implanted, Dsis told her DH, "never again, that was hell."

Because the children who they are given to are not even suffering from any physical ill health. Theirs is an emotional/mental condition - for which emotional counselling and therapy is the right solution.

Short term euphoria soon passes, and the subject is still left with the fact that they cannot really change sex; plus now there are likely to be a range of physical issues related to medications and/or surgery

Romantic. and sexual relationships become more complicated too - post transition.

Why would anyone hope for or want for any of this for a young, impressionable developing person. -who in most instances haven't even reached sexual maturity, nor a settled sense of their own sexual orientation?

I've personally heard the testimony of numerous detransitioners...young women who have had not only their breasts removed but also their womb and ovaries - all before the age they reach adult maturity and being fully settled in their sexuality. What's more they have deepened voices and often facial hair they cannot get rid of without great cost.

Why would anyone hope for or want for any of this for a young, impressionable developing person. -who in most instances haven't even reached sexual maturity, nor a settled sense of their own sexual orientation?

I think many genderists don’t personally understand sexuality or sexual orientation at all. That’s one reason why they confuse sex and gender and often embrace kink in a multitude of forms - because ordinary, straightforward sexual gratification is beyond them, especially in its mundane reproductive role.

I remember one poster dismiss sexual futures for these young people by stating that being ‘asexual’ was acceptable now. I believe it was DadJoke who said this. Am I misremembering?

It’s sad that a tiny proportion of people experience surgical regret but for gender affirmative surgery it’s very low indeed - a model for many other procedures. No one would use that as an argument against anyone getting surgery.

You are.

Can you post some statistical evidence for your claims?

ere is Dr Az Hazeem saying he had about 26% of his patients regretted transitioning.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623643/Being-trans-non-binary-new-sub-culture-risk-raising-nation-chemically-castrated-children-Doctor-spent-12-years-working-vulnerable-teens-Tavistock-warns-gender-ideology.html

He said 26 per cent of his patients at the Tavistock and Portman regretted transitioning.

And Genspect has estimated it could be even higher.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5181433-trans-regret-rate-could-be-33

For treatments that have no proof that they work to even improve mental health in the long term.

How dismissive can one be of the issues with these drugs.

That is good to know. Thank you. And I apologise.

I think I now know who it was and it was another very heavily invested male poster who said this.

There are plenty of gender non-conforming people - far more than there are transgender people

Are you going to explain what the difference is @DadJoke?

'Transgender people' are gender non-conforming people plus added body hatred?

Some 'transgender people' aren't gender non-conforming at all, but have an extreme cross-dressing fetish?

Or something else?

This population have a suicide rate many times higher than the rest of the population which rather belies your suggestion (I am presuming based on the study that looked at how many people returned to the surgeon who mutilated them asked for reversal of permanent surgery and had this recorded in clinic notes).

And then there is the American Society of Plastic Surgeons pointing out the lack of evidence for these mutilating surgeries, which given their financial interest would be rather surprising unless they are concerned about court cases coming their way.

https://donoharmmedicine.org/2024/08/14/asps-gender-affirming-care-evidence-consensus/

No, follow up studies which asked people about surgical regret. I don’t understand why you are so desperate for this not to be true.

What a repellent comment.

Please link evidence

It’s really not hard to find, but here is one:

www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract

I think this exchange sums the whole sorry mess up beautifully TBH.

i want my trans-identifying kid to live a long and healthy life free of pain. Don’t mind what they wear or how they see themselves. I Don’t want them to take life shortening/limiting drugs that have not been shown to alleviate the issues they think they are trying to fix.

how the fuck are WE the Transphobics instigating a Trans-genocide.

Is there no part of you that can imagine that children who take puberty blockers to arrest their maturity, are therefore still their own nine or ten or eleven year old selves 15 years later?