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How do you support other siblings when a teen decides they are trans

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Autumnleavesareslippery · 07/10/2024 09:13

I've name changed for this, have been a member for 19 years since pregnant with DS. I'm going to try and be factual as I'm in shock and dealing with a whole host of mine and my children's emotions. Yes I'm using 'he' here as none of us have got our heads around this. I'm trying to be very honest in how I feel and really need some support from people who have more of an idea about how to handle this than me.

DS (19) came home from uni on Friday. On Friday night at about 11 pm in the family chat he declared he was transgender. He informed us what he was called. It was an unusual name choice for a 19 year old - that of someone perhaps born 150 years ago. Think Enid. He told us he'd known for years.

All of us were in shock. I have DD (17) and DD and DS (both 14). I sent a message privately to him thanking for letting us know as I wasn't quite sure what else to say. He didn't read it and remained in his room. Didn't even bother with the usual teen response of a thumbs up.

Saturday and Sunday he acted completely normally, like nothing major had happened and he had told us he was vegetarian now or something. He seemed calm and relaxed. He looked exactly the same - a 6ft 2 broad shouldered man.

He then came downstairs to get a lift to the train station dressed as what I can only describe as a stereotype of what someone might think a woman looked like. Badly done make up. An odd dress that didn't fit. And started talking in a completely different soft 'feminine' voice and doing strange things with his hands that he must have deemed 'female'. He had lace like gloves on. It looked so outdated and strange.

The best way to describe it was he looked like Dame Edna or the character out of little Britain from 20 years ago in that the clothing was odd and it seemed almost designed to get a reaction. But he appeared to be deadly serious and nonchalant about it. A woman would have been clearly mocked if she dressed like it. It just leaves me wondering whether this is what he views women as?! Not that he knows any women who would act like this - he's surrounded by many women who express themselves in multiple ways but not in an Edwardian lady about to collapse way.

I drove him to the station trying to make small talk about the weather and his course and came back to everyone sat staring in disbelief. He's never said anything, acted in any way 'feminine' (whatever that means). He's at a RG uni, studying a science subject with 3 As at A level, and has organised himself a part time job. I only say this because life seems to be going well for him, rather than a potential response to something.

He is however autistic.

DD 17 is furious and says he's making a mockery of women and that woman is not a costume. She says he better not be going in female only spaces.

DD 15 looks stunned and keeps asking why he thinks he can just become a woman and what he thinks that means. She can't identify out of periods etc etc. DS 15 is laughing in disbelief. DH just looks completely confused and keeps muttering about getting loads of tattoos when he wanted to shock his parents thirty five years ago.

I genuinely don't know what to do next. Please bear in mind I'm in shock, had only just 'got over' my first born leaving for uni and all the emotions that brings.

I want to support DS19 with whatever gender expression he wants. When he still looked like him (and didn't appear to be 'dressed as' a mockery of women) I was shocked but we just thought ok, this is him experimenting with finding himself or whatever. But now I'm really worried about him and his future and whether others will look at him and think wtf. I'm also angry at the very (sorry to stereotype) 'teen boy' way he told us - late at night, no response, informing us what he was called rather than perhaps asking 'could you call me'. No consideration of the impact but I guess that might just be being 19.

I agree with what both of my daughters are saying. How do I say this because it then directly criticises DS? Do I accept he is an adult, has made his choices and my care and focus should be on them? I can't gaslight them and tell them they're wrong.

I'm now worried he's going to go into female spaces, as a clearly visible six foot plus male. This would make me angry.

He is at a university where I know lots of his lecturers (I am an academic in the same field). I know many are gender critical. Do I mention it to them first or let it be the elephant in the room?

I don't know what to say to my 85 year old mother. I think she will be very shocked and worried. I'm trying to work out if we have to tell her (she doesn't live nearby).

I don't know how much to talk to him or challenge this. I feel a kind of grief. I'm worried he's going to take hormones or do something irreversible.

We all dislike the name / think it's a very odd choice - which makes me feel very alienated from him.

And at the end of the day he's my 'baby' - I want him to be happy. I don't want people to criticise him. I want to support him but how do you do that when you question so much what he is doing? It wasn't the fact he declared himself to have a different gender but rather what followed - the declaration of name, strange clothing and fear of him going in women's spaces.

I also do absolutely realise he is an adult and can make his own choices and face the consequences. He has his own life (albeit he's being financially supported by us).

I guess it was just so sudden.

Any advice on what to do next would be gladly received.

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AnnaMagnani · 07/10/2024 09:19

Given the reaction of his siblings, I'd let them argue it out with him. And tell him he looks ridiculous and what does he actually think women dress and sound like.

BettyBooper · 07/10/2024 09:35

Wow. That sounds really difficult. In what way can he have known 'for years' that he's really 'Ethel' (or whatever) and should be wearing bad Edwardian 'womens' clothes? 😵‍💫

I can see why you're flabbergasted.

Ames74 · 07/10/2024 09:37

That sounds awful. Do you believe it's genuine or could it be some kind of dare/challenge? (Clutching at straws here.)

DadJoke · 07/10/2024 09:44

It sounds like you reacted pretty well, all things considered. One thing to realise is that the choice isn't whether your DC is transgender - that's a given - but whether they are out or not. Being out is hard, but the pressure to be who you are is usually stronger.

It is incredibly tough for parents, who have always know their child as a son to find out that they have a daughter - and one who is in one of the most mocked and villified segments of society.

It's incredibly tough being transgender, and especially being a trans women. They are subjected to ridicule and abuse, and a supportive family is a must. Some transgender people will hide their true identities - the most common reason for going in the closet is rejection by parents and family. It's much harder for them if they don't pass.

You can't really control the feelings of DC's siblings, but you can ask them to respect their choices and not be unpleasant, even if they are angry.

I would sit down with DC without judgment and ask them about their gender identity, when they first realised, and what it's like for them. It might reassure you that this is not a rash decision, but has been brewing for many years, and is really who they are. You could also help them with their gender expression - clothers and make up - perhaps something more toned down to start with would reduce the level of abuse they are likely to receive.

It would also help if they received a diagnosis of gender dysphoria (if they have it) and to get some CBT.

It would also be useful to speak to parents in a similar situation - not just the host of gender critical people here - but others who are supportive, to understand their journey.

I'm not going to react to any posts on this thread, unless OP directs a comment at me.

You'll get a bunch of suggestions here for trans-denying support organisations, but you could also try:

https://genderedintelligence.co.uk

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Gendered Intelligence

Gendered Intelligence works towards a world where trans, non-binary and gender questioning people live healthy, safe and fulfilled lives.

https://genderedintelligence.co.uk

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 09:45

DS (19) came home from uni on Friday. On Friday night at about 11 pm in the family chat he declared he was transgender. He informed us what he was called. It was an unusual name choice for a 19 year old - that of someone perhaps born 150 years ago. Think Enid. He told us he'd known for years.

He just sent a late night WhatsApp message to you all?

Skyrainlight · 07/10/2024 09:47

Wow, that is an incredibly difficult situation. I would probably tell your children they are completely entitled to their beliefs that transwomen should not be in female spaces and that they aren't women. But that their brother is still family and they should treat him well without them needing to alter their beliefs.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 09:50

Try the Bayswater Support Group.

www.bayswatersupport.org.uk/

Do not contact a trans focussed organisation for "help", you will not receive a supportive response for your own feelings. But I'm sure you know that.

Worldgonecrazy · 07/10/2024 09:56

I would say, wear what you want but you the way you have chosen to dress and act looks like you are mocking / stereotyping women rather than copying what actual women might wear and you and his sisters, as women, are allowed to be upset by his perception and enactment of what he thinks a woman is. Be honest about the reaction he is likely to get. Then steadfastly ignore it. He is welcome to his fantasy but you and your family don’t have to enter it with him.

It’s hurtful when our children act in this way, he is an adult and can do what he wants. You have no idea how it feels to identify as transgender and he has no idea of what it is to be a woman.

QAOPspaceman · 07/10/2024 10:08

This is scary but you and your family sound great. Loving but sceptical. Good that your colleagues seem sane; I would definitely tell them, some of their families may be going through the same thing and then you’re in it together. Good luck to your son, I’m sure he’ll come out the other side as his own weird, gender nonconforming male self

BettyBooper · 07/10/2024 10:12

If he had messaged you saying his new name is Sherlock and come downstairs badly dressed as Sherlock Holmes doing a weird parody of the detective, you'd be 🤨.

But because the caricature he's gone with is female you're supposed to accept his 'authentic self'??!

I love Sherlock Holmes and dressing like him sounds great but if someone demanded that I accepted that they were actually Sherlock I'd be thinking they needed a mental health assessment.

Edingril · 07/10/2024 10:13

I would just get everyone to ignore it and move on, if it is genuine it will always be if it is attention seeking then don't give it attention

How is making a thing of it going to make a difference?

Myalternate · 07/10/2024 10:17

He’s your son, just give him your love as you’ve always done. x
He's going to need your support when he comes to the realisation that he isn’t a woman but a fully grown man that has to re-tune his life around recognising that.

Devilsmommy · 07/10/2024 10:19

Wow that sounds so hard on you and your family. Especially if it was completely out of the blue. I'm assuming he's been having it shoved down his throat at uni and being autistic is another thing that seems to be common lately. Almost like they are targeting more vulnerable people iyswim. Maybe sit him down and have a good talk to him about how this has all come about and how you can help him but also explain about the single sex spaces and how some women are going to feel if he tries using them. I'd imagine his siblings will probably have a lot to say about it too. Just keep communication open so you don't inadvertently push him away and further into it. So sorry you're having to deal with this, I don't think I could. Good luck 🤞

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 10:20

Absolutely don't gaslight your daughters. I would just say that their brother has the right to wear anything he likes but of course they don't need to go along with anything they are uncomfortable with.

I wouldn't raise it with people at the uni as it might backfire on you and/or your GC contacts there.

AnotherAngryAcademic · 07/10/2024 10:21

What a difficult situation, I’m so sorry OP

I think contacting his lecturers is tricky, even (especially?) if you know them. They have a duty of care to him, and they should not be speaking to you about him - an adult! - without his permission. This may well all feel very awkward, but your friends are professionals and can and will understand this. If you think that there may be a safeguarding element (eg related to his autism?) there will be a formal route for parents to contact the university about students and it would be best to stick with this if you can - for your son’s wellbeing, to prevent your friends being put into difficult positions vis a vis professional obligations versus wanting to support you, etc etc.

I have several colleagues and friends in my academic discipline with university aged transgender children. I think this is will continue to become more common. Like you, they love their kids, wrestle with their own views, worry about siblings, hope their kids will be happy and healthy, and keep moving along doing their best. I don’t think it will be the elephant in the room 😊

NoBinturongsHereMate · 07/10/2024 10:21

I think the first thing is to support your younger children, especially as he's not cirrently there. Confirm the validity of their feelings and concerns. Be honest about your own shock and conflict. Discuss as a family how you feel and what the options are for how to react - that doesn’t mean you need to come up with a 'united front' response, but a chance to talk about the pros and cons of different responses.

veritasverity · 07/10/2024 10:27

Ignore it. Let his siblings argue with him. Just remind him Edwardian dress isn't going to be very safe around a Bunsen burner, all that lace....total fire hazard ⚠️!
And he can iron his own petticoats too, otherwise treat him as you normally would.

ThisIsAlmostHalloween · 07/10/2024 10:34

Tell him you'll have no part of it. He isn't a woman, he can't be a woman and his cartoonist portrayal of a woman is offensive.

I did the same to my daughter when she started the same same shit. It lasted more months and she's back to her normal self now. She's autistic too.

But sounds like there's a shock element for your son. Like he's trying to be controversial for attention.

Don't give him the attention.

334bu · 07/10/2024 10:35

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Melroses · 07/10/2024 10:50

I always find it helpful to channel my inner June Whitfield (Ab Fab) with my adult children. It also helps the others not to be seen to be making a fuss.

Autumnleavesareslippery · 07/10/2024 10:54

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 09:45

DS (19) came home from uni on Friday. On Friday night at about 11 pm in the family chat he declared he was transgender. He informed us what he was called. It was an unusual name choice for a 19 year old - that of someone perhaps born 150 years ago. Think Enid. He told us he'd known for years.

He just sent a late night WhatsApp message to you all?

Yep - no emotion in it whatsoever. Could as well have read 'I'm going into town tomorrow, won't be back for dinner'. It was the not bothering to read the response, whilst sitting in our house that threw me.

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Autumnleavesareslippery · 07/10/2024 10:56

Worldgonecrazy · 07/10/2024 09:56

I would say, wear what you want but you the way you have chosen to dress and act looks like you are mocking / stereotyping women rather than copying what actual women might wear and you and his sisters, as women, are allowed to be upset by his perception and enactment of what he thinks a woman is. Be honest about the reaction he is likely to get. Then steadfastly ignore it. He is welcome to his fantasy but you and your family don’t have to enter it with him.

It’s hurtful when our children act in this way, he is an adult and can do what he wants. You have no idea how it feels to identify as transgender and he has no idea of what it is to be a woman.

Thank you. I would say it's the clothing / voice / mannerisms that has thrown me the most. Does he think this is what women are? Why?!

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ElleWoods15 · 07/10/2024 10:57

334bu · 07/10/2024 10:35

Gendered Intelligence is a trans lobby group which only believes in total affirmation. You might find this blog interesting, it is a close look at this organisation.
https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/gendered-intelligence/

I think the point though @334bu is that the vast majority of organisations working in this area have a viewpoint - be that trans ally (as opposed to ‘trans lobby group believing only in total affirmation’) or GC. The two organisations you suggest are GC.

The PP was offering Gendered Intelligence as an alternative to Bayswater etc, and was clear about the stand point it is coming from.

Ultimately it’s for the OP to decide what support out there best meets the needs of her family.

Autumnleavesareslippery · 07/10/2024 11:00

QAOPspaceman · 07/10/2024 10:08

This is scary but you and your family sound great. Loving but sceptical. Good that your colleagues seem sane; I would definitely tell them, some of their families may be going through the same thing and then you’re in it together. Good luck to your son, I’m sure he’ll come out the other side as his own weird, gender nonconforming male self

I hope this so much. I'm really confused as he's got lots of men around him who are certainly not your 'stereotypical man'. Men in all sorts of styles, hair, make up and who ignore gender stereotypes. We're all really accepting of individuals. Does make me wonder if this is the only way to shock us.

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