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How do you support other siblings when a teen decides they are trans

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Autumnleavesareslippery · 07/10/2024 09:13

I've name changed for this, have been a member for 19 years since pregnant with DS. I'm going to try and be factual as I'm in shock and dealing with a whole host of mine and my children's emotions. Yes I'm using 'he' here as none of us have got our heads around this. I'm trying to be very honest in how I feel and really need some support from people who have more of an idea about how to handle this than me.

DS (19) came home from uni on Friday. On Friday night at about 11 pm in the family chat he declared he was transgender. He informed us what he was called. It was an unusual name choice for a 19 year old - that of someone perhaps born 150 years ago. Think Enid. He told us he'd known for years.

All of us were in shock. I have DD (17) and DD and DS (both 14). I sent a message privately to him thanking for letting us know as I wasn't quite sure what else to say. He didn't read it and remained in his room. Didn't even bother with the usual teen response of a thumbs up.

Saturday and Sunday he acted completely normally, like nothing major had happened and he had told us he was vegetarian now or something. He seemed calm and relaxed. He looked exactly the same - a 6ft 2 broad shouldered man.

He then came downstairs to get a lift to the train station dressed as what I can only describe as a stereotype of what someone might think a woman looked like. Badly done make up. An odd dress that didn't fit. And started talking in a completely different soft 'feminine' voice and doing strange things with his hands that he must have deemed 'female'. He had lace like gloves on. It looked so outdated and strange.

The best way to describe it was he looked like Dame Edna or the character out of little Britain from 20 years ago in that the clothing was odd and it seemed almost designed to get a reaction. But he appeared to be deadly serious and nonchalant about it. A woman would have been clearly mocked if she dressed like it. It just leaves me wondering whether this is what he views women as?! Not that he knows any women who would act like this - he's surrounded by many women who express themselves in multiple ways but not in an Edwardian lady about to collapse way.

I drove him to the station trying to make small talk about the weather and his course and came back to everyone sat staring in disbelief. He's never said anything, acted in any way 'feminine' (whatever that means). He's at a RG uni, studying a science subject with 3 As at A level, and has organised himself a part time job. I only say this because life seems to be going well for him, rather than a potential response to something.

He is however autistic.

DD 17 is furious and says he's making a mockery of women and that woman is not a costume. She says he better not be going in female only spaces.

DD 15 looks stunned and keeps asking why he thinks he can just become a woman and what he thinks that means. She can't identify out of periods etc etc. DS 15 is laughing in disbelief. DH just looks completely confused and keeps muttering about getting loads of tattoos when he wanted to shock his parents thirty five years ago.

I genuinely don't know what to do next. Please bear in mind I'm in shock, had only just 'got over' my first born leaving for uni and all the emotions that brings.

I want to support DS19 with whatever gender expression he wants. When he still looked like him (and didn't appear to be 'dressed as' a mockery of women) I was shocked but we just thought ok, this is him experimenting with finding himself or whatever. But now I'm really worried about him and his future and whether others will look at him and think wtf. I'm also angry at the very (sorry to stereotype) 'teen boy' way he told us - late at night, no response, informing us what he was called rather than perhaps asking 'could you call me'. No consideration of the impact but I guess that might just be being 19.

I agree with what both of my daughters are saying. How do I say this because it then directly criticises DS? Do I accept he is an adult, has made his choices and my care and focus should be on them? I can't gaslight them and tell them they're wrong.

I'm now worried he's going to go into female spaces, as a clearly visible six foot plus male. This would make me angry.

He is at a university where I know lots of his lecturers (I am an academic in the same field). I know many are gender critical. Do I mention it to them first or let it be the elephant in the room?

I don't know what to say to my 85 year old mother. I think she will be very shocked and worried. I'm trying to work out if we have to tell her (she doesn't live nearby).

I don't know how much to talk to him or challenge this. I feel a kind of grief. I'm worried he's going to take hormones or do something irreversible.

We all dislike the name / think it's a very odd choice - which makes me feel very alienated from him.

And at the end of the day he's my 'baby' - I want him to be happy. I don't want people to criticise him. I want to support him but how do you do that when you question so much what he is doing? It wasn't the fact he declared himself to have a different gender but rather what followed - the declaration of name, strange clothing and fear of him going in women's spaces.

I also do absolutely realise he is an adult and can make his own choices and face the consequences. He has his own life (albeit he's being financially supported by us).

I guess it was just so sudden.

Any advice on what to do next would be gladly received.

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SquirrelSoShiny · 07/10/2024 11:54

ThisIsAlmostHalloween · 07/10/2024 11:40

Daughter?

He comes downstairs in a victorian frock ONCE and that negates 19 years of being her son??

Get a grip

Indeed.

DadJoke's name pretty much sums up 90% of his posts.

Of course your son is autistic. Declaring a trans identity would have about 70-80% accuracy as an autism diagnostic as far as I can see, especially in a liberal home (so not homophobic).

Your son is pulling away from you quite naturally as he goes off to Uni. Unfortunately he is likely to only make friends with those who affirm him which will embed the insanity for a period. Be cheerful but non-committal and encourage siblings to do likewise. Keep the doors open for communication. If he keeps dressing in that way he's likely to end up equally disliked by men and women alike. Encourage him to join the chess club or something.

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/10/2024 11:55

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Utter hogwash

it is not transphobic for OP DD to be very clear that they are uncomfortable with what their brothers idea of womanhood is and that it is not something you can identify in and out of

it is not a sisters job to be a support human to their brother, how they think and feel are just as valid as what he thinks and feels

Ingenieur · 07/10/2024 11:56

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You'll be surprised to hear, then, that at my DD's north London secondary school being trans is uncool to the point of embarrassment.

There isn't a generational divide like there was with being gay.

Skyrainlight · 07/10/2024 12:00

OrlandointheWilderness · 07/10/2024 11:43

Your Daughters sound fab though. Intelligent and questioning.

Agreed, they give me hope for the younger generation.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 12:00

How can you be a feminist without being critical of gender?

Gender literally means stereotypes socially associated with sex!

Yep.

Worldgonecrazy · 07/10/2024 12:01

Very happy to report that DD’s school have also made it almost through the latest trans trend and it is now seen as desperately uncool and attention seeking.

since1986 · 07/10/2024 12:05

I'd honestly have shut it down right there and then and explained to him I hope he understood that he can put whatever clothes on he likes, he is and will always be a male. He cant change his own biology.

Honestly, families not challenging this b.s. is half of the problem. Parent your kids fgs.

stanleypops66 · 07/10/2024 12:06

From an ASD perspective this is quite common. Given he's just started uni, it may be that he's doing it to fit in. Perhaps he's joined or wants to join a lgbtq group.

Will you have a chance to speak to him soon? I would be honest and express your surprise and concern and find out how this came about. Be open and loving, and just listen.

I agree with others that your daughters sound fab. I have had very open conversations with my dd for about 5 years on this topic. They know that people cannot change biological sex, but people can express themselves in whichever way they want. Doesn't mean we have to believe it, and nobody should encroach on women's safe spaces.

nosmartphone · 07/10/2024 12:07

He's autistic. That's it.

Ignore. Move on. He's doing it for attention imo although I'd be very worried about who he's hanging around with.

Although to be fair, both of my kids know that if they pulled a stunt like this theyd be told not to be so fucking stupid. I can't see how it gets to this point that he can send a whatsapp group message, not acknowledge it and then do something bizarre like this! Is he your PFB? Have you cut him way more slack that the others?

Watched a very moving film about a girl who was genuinely intersex the other day. I'd make him watch that.

Newterm · 07/10/2024 12:07

I think it’s a shame there isn’t a New Romantics or Goth revival. Young people would be able to find their tribe and dress up like Steve Strange without having to declare themselves trans.

SquirrelSoShiny · 07/10/2024 12:08

Ingenieur · 07/10/2024 11:56

You'll be surprised to hear, then, that at my DD's north London secondary school being trans is uncool to the point of embarrassment.

There isn't a generational divide like there was with being gay.

This was always going to be the outcome. Teens can be brutal and when 80+% of the trans people you know have a social and communication disorder ie autism the rest of the children will retreat in the opposite direction because at that age most just want to blend in with the herd.

It's one of the things I truly detest about trans ideology. It has taken vulnerable autistic kids (who were already socially isolated and a bit quirky) and encouraged them to dress and act in ridiculous performative ways which ADD to their isolation and distress. While simultaneously claiming to be inclusive ffs! 🤦‍♀️

QueenCamilla · 07/10/2024 12:10

It's not possible to talk about this whilst ignoring his Autism.
The "gender choice" supporters are actually supporting, affirming and encouraging the visible symptoms of an illness. It's a sign that someone is struggling - physically, socially or with their sexuality. There is nothing to celebrate or encourage there.
No more than anyone should be accepting and supportive of my reckless, impulsive lifestyle when my ADHD goes off the rails.

In my teens, those on the spectrum who wanted to identify out of their internal and external turmoils, were Emos and Goths. A few extra pinholes in their face is probably the only reminder of that phase.
My friend with Aspergers - camp as one can be and bullied - had a high paying IT job and a family with two children straight out of the school. He'd have been a prime target for the pro-Trans groups and I have no doubt that it would have sent his life careering off the tracks.

There is much more support and understing of Neuro diversity these days. Unfortunately, that understanding has also informed the vultures as to where their victims lie.

AelitaQueenofMars · 07/10/2024 12:11

DadJoke · 07/10/2024 09:44

It sounds like you reacted pretty well, all things considered. One thing to realise is that the choice isn't whether your DC is transgender - that's a given - but whether they are out or not. Being out is hard, but the pressure to be who you are is usually stronger.

It is incredibly tough for parents, who have always know their child as a son to find out that they have a daughter - and one who is in one of the most mocked and villified segments of society.

It's incredibly tough being transgender, and especially being a trans women. They are subjected to ridicule and abuse, and a supportive family is a must. Some transgender people will hide their true identities - the most common reason for going in the closet is rejection by parents and family. It's much harder for them if they don't pass.

You can't really control the feelings of DC's siblings, but you can ask them to respect their choices and not be unpleasant, even if they are angry.

I would sit down with DC without judgment and ask them about their gender identity, when they first realised, and what it's like for them. It might reassure you that this is not a rash decision, but has been brewing for many years, and is really who they are. You could also help them with their gender expression - clothers and make up - perhaps something more toned down to start with would reduce the level of abuse they are likely to receive.

It would also help if they received a diagnosis of gender dysphoria (if they have it) and to get some CBT.

It would also be useful to speak to parents in a similar situation - not just the host of gender critical people here - but others who are supportive, to understand their journey.

I'm not going to react to any posts on this thread, unless OP directs a comment at me.

You'll get a bunch of suggestions here for trans-denying support organisations, but you could also try:

https://genderedintelligence.co.uk

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Respecting women and girls is never even your last thought in any discussion, is it?

QueenCamilla · 07/10/2024 12:12

@SquirrelSoShiny
Exactly!

SquirrelSoShiny · 07/10/2024 12:12

Newterm · 07/10/2024 12:07

I think it’s a shame there isn’t a New Romantics or Goth revival. Young people would be able to find their tribe and dress up like Steve Strange without having to declare themselves trans.

I yearn for those days!

Back when you could be ND, a bit quirky and find a tribe who didn't demand you mutilate yourself or become a complete narcissist demanding the world conform to your view of reality!

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 07/10/2024 12:17

Worldgonecrazy · 07/10/2024 12:01

Very happy to report that DD’s school have also made it almost through the latest trans trend and it is now seen as desperately uncool and attention seeking.

Yes, the fashion aspect of trans identity has definitely waned. There is a 6 year gap between each of my children (24, 18, 12) and it was just taking off round here when my eldest was in the lower 6th (2016, small metropolitan grammar school) and hit a high point when my middle was in year 9 (2019-2020 ‘leafy’ comprehensive). Now my youngest is in year 8 (2024) and it’s just not a thing at her (huge, big city outskirts, very diverse) girls comp.

There does seem to be a new surge of young, often autistic male adults transitioning at uni though, based purely on my observations in parenting support groups. These boys would’ve been around the same school year group as my middle, so I wonder if it’s a sort of late term effect of whatever the social phenomenon was that made transition seem so appealing to teen girls 5 years ago?

A lot of my middle’s female trans peers have now completely desisted, or stepped down from trans boy to NB.

MrsSkylerWhite · 07/10/2024 12:19

DrunkTinkerbell40s · Today 11:14

Sadly, I don't think MN is the best place to get advice. They don't know your family, they don't know your son, and they don't necessarily have any real experience of people with gender misalignment.
Ultimately, whatever is going on here you need to support him. It's not easy coming out as trans. It is not easy, at 6ft 2, 'dressing up' as a woman. He will be ridiculed. He will be subjected to abuse. So no one decides to do this on a whim.
Some of the suggestions on here could lead to a mental health crisis or worse.
If it were me, I would sit him down and talk to him, alone, without anyone else. How long has he felt like this. I would tell him he could dress in women's clothes, but in a style where he's more likely to fit in. Why has he chosen that name etc Just give him some guidance, book him a doctor appt, book him some therapy to talk about his feelings.
Do not ridicule him, or tell him to stop. You could lose him that way. Support him and he will choose his own path xx

This. Well said.

Popopopipipi · 07/10/2024 12:23

Is he in a quiet flat at uni? Is it full of other autistic kids? Has he spent the last 3 weeks being lectured about learning about pronouns and that only girls like X and do Y and therefore he must be a girl now? I know it's not that simple but if he's sharing with a TRA ASD kid(s) then all bets are off.

My autistic DS was in a quiet flat with an autistic TRA in his first year and found it difficult to get his head around, and so didn't eat until midnight-2am for the whole year to avoid them hectoring him in the kitchen.

TeenToTwenties · 07/10/2024 12:25

I think it is interesting that the OP asked for support for her other children, and yet a number of posters (primarily the 'believers') focus on the trans child...

DoreenonTill8 · 07/10/2024 12:27

Interesting @TeenToTwenties but not at all surprising!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 12:27

They would, wouldn't they?

Beowulfa · 07/10/2024 12:28

The OP specifically asks for advice on supporting the other siblings; the teenagers who suddenly have to pretend that their big brother is magically now another sister when wearing a floaty frock and some makeup.

At that age I'd have wanted reassurance that my parents acknowledged that the situation was bewildering, that they understood why the clunky woman-gender costume was insulting, and that I wasn't going to be expected to lie about my childhood.

Branleuse · 07/10/2024 12:29

Id try and ignore it as much as possible. I dont affirm my childs preferred gender identity, but ive told them i understand its important to them, so im just going to treat it the same as I do with other friends and family who have different religious or other strong beliefs to me.
Im not going to pretend I believe something that I dont believe and know not to be true.
I think your daughters are quite right, and im glad they arent as scared of upsetting him as you clearly are.