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How do you support other siblings when a teen decides they are trans

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Autumnleavesareslippery · 07/10/2024 09:13

I've name changed for this, have been a member for 19 years since pregnant with DS. I'm going to try and be factual as I'm in shock and dealing with a whole host of mine and my children's emotions. Yes I'm using 'he' here as none of us have got our heads around this. I'm trying to be very honest in how I feel and really need some support from people who have more of an idea about how to handle this than me.

DS (19) came home from uni on Friday. On Friday night at about 11 pm in the family chat he declared he was transgender. He informed us what he was called. It was an unusual name choice for a 19 year old - that of someone perhaps born 150 years ago. Think Enid. He told us he'd known for years.

All of us were in shock. I have DD (17) and DD and DS (both 14). I sent a message privately to him thanking for letting us know as I wasn't quite sure what else to say. He didn't read it and remained in his room. Didn't even bother with the usual teen response of a thumbs up.

Saturday and Sunday he acted completely normally, like nothing major had happened and he had told us he was vegetarian now or something. He seemed calm and relaxed. He looked exactly the same - a 6ft 2 broad shouldered man.

He then came downstairs to get a lift to the train station dressed as what I can only describe as a stereotype of what someone might think a woman looked like. Badly done make up. An odd dress that didn't fit. And started talking in a completely different soft 'feminine' voice and doing strange things with his hands that he must have deemed 'female'. He had lace like gloves on. It looked so outdated and strange.

The best way to describe it was he looked like Dame Edna or the character out of little Britain from 20 years ago in that the clothing was odd and it seemed almost designed to get a reaction. But he appeared to be deadly serious and nonchalant about it. A woman would have been clearly mocked if she dressed like it. It just leaves me wondering whether this is what he views women as?! Not that he knows any women who would act like this - he's surrounded by many women who express themselves in multiple ways but not in an Edwardian lady about to collapse way.

I drove him to the station trying to make small talk about the weather and his course and came back to everyone sat staring in disbelief. He's never said anything, acted in any way 'feminine' (whatever that means). He's at a RG uni, studying a science subject with 3 As at A level, and has organised himself a part time job. I only say this because life seems to be going well for him, rather than a potential response to something.

He is however autistic.

DD 17 is furious and says he's making a mockery of women and that woman is not a costume. She says he better not be going in female only spaces.

DD 15 looks stunned and keeps asking why he thinks he can just become a woman and what he thinks that means. She can't identify out of periods etc etc. DS 15 is laughing in disbelief. DH just looks completely confused and keeps muttering about getting loads of tattoos when he wanted to shock his parents thirty five years ago.

I genuinely don't know what to do next. Please bear in mind I'm in shock, had only just 'got over' my first born leaving for uni and all the emotions that brings.

I want to support DS19 with whatever gender expression he wants. When he still looked like him (and didn't appear to be 'dressed as' a mockery of women) I was shocked but we just thought ok, this is him experimenting with finding himself or whatever. But now I'm really worried about him and his future and whether others will look at him and think wtf. I'm also angry at the very (sorry to stereotype) 'teen boy' way he told us - late at night, no response, informing us what he was called rather than perhaps asking 'could you call me'. No consideration of the impact but I guess that might just be being 19.

I agree with what both of my daughters are saying. How do I say this because it then directly criticises DS? Do I accept he is an adult, has made his choices and my care and focus should be on them? I can't gaslight them and tell them they're wrong.

I'm now worried he's going to go into female spaces, as a clearly visible six foot plus male. This would make me angry.

He is at a university where I know lots of his lecturers (I am an academic in the same field). I know many are gender critical. Do I mention it to them first or let it be the elephant in the room?

I don't know what to say to my 85 year old mother. I think she will be very shocked and worried. I'm trying to work out if we have to tell her (she doesn't live nearby).

I don't know how much to talk to him or challenge this. I feel a kind of grief. I'm worried he's going to take hormones or do something irreversible.

We all dislike the name / think it's a very odd choice - which makes me feel very alienated from him.

And at the end of the day he's my 'baby' - I want him to be happy. I don't want people to criticise him. I want to support him but how do you do that when you question so much what he is doing? It wasn't the fact he declared himself to have a different gender but rather what followed - the declaration of name, strange clothing and fear of him going in women's spaces.

I also do absolutely realise he is an adult and can make his own choices and face the consequences. He has his own life (albeit he's being financially supported by us).

I guess it was just so sudden.

Any advice on what to do next would be gladly received.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 11:01

Does he have friends? Have you met any of them?

Lovelyview · 07/10/2024 11:02

Bayswater Support have a forum where parents can talk to people going through a similar situation. I'd focus on your other children and supporting them with their sex realist views. Sorry to say this but your son may have developed a sexual paraphilia AGP. You may want to research it.

twomanyfrogsinabox · 07/10/2024 11:04

I would have pointed out he needs a bit more practise with makeup and choosing dresses. I would have tried to tidy him up a bit before he went out, as you would if he was dressed stupidly as a boy.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 11:05

be that trans ally (as opposed to ‘trans lobby group believing only in total affirmation’)

That's not "opposed" to what they are. It is what they are. As you will see if you read the linked blog piece.

334bu · 07/10/2024 11:07

Ultimately it’s for the OP to decide what support out there best meets the needs of her family.

Of course it is, but GI will be no use in supporting her younger children as they would be expected to positively affirm their sibling, no matter how much this distressed them.

popeydokey · 07/10/2024 11:08

If one child is showing their sexist beliefs I would see it as similar as showing homophobic beliefs particularly around gay family members.

I think arguing will only entrench views further, so a gentle approach is probably the most productive. Is he not particularly good at critical thinking or thinking of others (just thinking back to my teen siblings! )?

ElleWoods15 · 07/10/2024 11:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 11:05

be that trans ally (as opposed to ‘trans lobby group believing only in total affirmation’)

That's not "opposed" to what they are. It is what they are. As you will see if you read the linked blog piece.

Yes, the linked blog post from the ‘gendercriticalwoman’ blog sounds like it’s going to give a really balanced view 🙄😂

popeydokey · 07/10/2024 11:11

One thing to realise is that the choice isn't whether your DC is transgender - that's a given

I'd ignore this - as you probably have seen, this poster is really confused about what trans is, and thought that Stonewall's definition seemed wrong.

It is confusing - does he want to be female biologically, or does he think that he has something about himself that's incompatible with having a male body and that only female people have this quality? (I.e. a quality that "matches" one of the sexes).

ThatAgileGoldMoose · 07/10/2024 11:14

It is incredibly tough for parents, who have always know their child as a son to find out that they have a daughter - and one who is in one of the most mocked and villified segments of society.

OK I'll bite.They don't have a(nother) daughter. They have, at kindest, a trans identifying child. It's always puzzling to me when people talk about the most mocked and vilified segment of society. I guess when an obviously male person busts gender stereotypes of clothing, it is sad that they can expect mocking and ridicule, yes. Dressing as a trope of a woman and insisting that you are one when you have none of the lived experience of the shit that women and young girls have to deal with for being obviously female in society, let alone never having dealt with periods, risk of pregnancy, likelihood of sexual attack and so on, is also an act of mocking and ridicule, this time towards women and girls.

It's incredibly tough being transgender, and especially being a trans women. They are subjected to ridicule and abuse, and a supportive family is a must.

Yes, a supportive family is a must. This does not always look like unquestioning acceptance and conformity to demands. In fact, most of the time good parenting does not look like that.

DrunkTinkerbell40s · 07/10/2024 11:14

Sadly, I don't think MN is the best place to get advice. They don't know your family, they don't know your son, and they don't necessarily have any real experience of people with gender misalignment.

Ultimately, whatever is going on here you need to support him. It's not easy coming out as trans. It is not easy, at 6ft 2, 'dressing up' as a woman. He will be ridiculed. He will be subjected to abuse. So no one decides to do this on a whim.

Some of the suggestions on here could lead to a mental health crisis or worse.

If it were me, I would sit him down and talk to him, alone, without anyone else. How long has he felt like this. I would tell him he could dress in women's clothes, but in a style where he's more likely to fit in. Why has he chosen that name etc Just give him some guidance, book him a doctor appt, book him some therapy to talk about his feelings.

Do not ridicule him, or tell him to stop. You could lose him that way. Support him and he will choose his own path xx

Autumnleavesareslippery · 07/10/2024 11:16

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 11:01

Does he have friends? Have you met any of them?

Not new ones at uni no. In his old friendship group there were all kinds of gender and self expression but nothing like this.

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BettyBooper · 07/10/2024 10:12

If he had messaged you saying his new name is Sherlock and come downstairs badly dressed as Sherlock Holmes doing a weird parody of the detective, you'd be 🤨.

But because the caricature he's gone with is female you're supposed to accept his 'authentic self'??!

I love Sherlock Holmes and dressing like him sounds great but if someone demanded that I accepted that they were actually Sherlock I'd be thinking they needed a mental health assessment.

Absolutely this. In this situation should parents say to the siblings 'you need to support your brother in his belief that he is Sherlock Holmes'?

AlexP24 · 07/10/2024 11:18

So sorry OP, what a nightmare. Is there any reason (this is perhaps because I'm a cockney) why you didn't say 'don't be so fucking stupid, you look like an absolute idiot and no, we won't be calling you she or her. And by God you better not be going into women's toilets either'. I understand not everyone talks to their teens like this, but there is a place for it, I think. This is it. He's clearly been groomed online by the anime blue haired lot. Those websites are full of perverted older men. I hope he comes out the other side.

popeydokey · 07/10/2024 11:18

@DrunkTinkerbell40s Loads of MNers have posted about their kids telling them they are trans, so a bit weird to just dismiss all these people. Many of the posters here have said they don't have gender identities that they believe matches their sex. I think this does give a bit of insight as opposed to people who wouldn't be able to give an example of any difference between a man and a woman.

DrunkTinkerbell40s · 07/10/2024 11:21

popeydokey · 07/10/2024 11:18

@DrunkTinkerbell40s Loads of MNers have posted about their kids telling them they are trans, so a bit weird to just dismiss all these people. Many of the posters here have said they don't have gender identities that they believe matches their sex. I think this does give a bit of insight as opposed to people who wouldn't be able to give an example of any difference between a man and a woman.

Absolutely appreciate this, but you also get people that tell the OP to tell her child to not be so 'fucking stupid' or such a 'fucking idiot' and I just can't get my head around someone talking to a vulnerable person like that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 11:23

Yes, the linked blog post from the ‘gendercriticalwoman’ blog sounds like it’s going to give a really balanced view

Like your own balanced view.

saltysandysea · 07/10/2024 11:23

Your other dc are entitled to their opinions & he must put up with their reaction- do not interfere.

I suspect your ‘trans’ ds might be lonely at uni and found the trans community to be welcoming provided he conforms to their expectations.

just remember being supportive does not always mean agreeing with his life choices. Follow your other dc lead perhaps.

BodyKeepingScore · 07/10/2024 11:23

He's known for years yet there was never any prior indication?

Yeah, I call bullshit.

And you need to as well.

No man can know or understand what it feels like or means to be a woman. He might, at best, be aroused at the idea of himself as a woman, or perhaps be gay.
But he is not, and will never be female.

He can dress how he pleases, but he does not get to equate this cos playing to being actually female and if my 19 year old son EVER attempted to enter female spaces under the guise of being one I'd be disgusted and horrified.

I'd be asking him where he spends his time online... if it's Reddit, Discord or Tumblr then you know where this new found identify has come from and you'd be doing him a grave harm to buy into his delusion that there's any process by which a human being can change sex.

Best case scenario is that he ends up with a horribly disfigured body wrecked by cross sex hormones. But he still won't be a woman.

popeydokey · 07/10/2024 11:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 10:20

Absolutely don't gaslight your daughters. I would just say that their brother has the right to wear anything he likes but of course they don't need to go along with anything they are uncomfortable with.

I wouldn't raise it with people at the uni as it might backfire on you and/or your GC contacts there.

I agree with this. I'd be surprised if anyone in your family thought that clothes dictated whether you're a man or woman.

It would be fantastic if at some point he felt he could open up and articulate why he felt he was a woman, and whether he believes that has anything to do with being female.

Having spent years on these boards I anticipate you won't get much but it might help you see where he's coming from.
Entrenched sexism is really hard to see when you're in it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 11:24

Yes, a supportive family is a must. This does not always look like unquestioning acceptance and conformity to demands. In fact, most of the time good parenting does not look like that.

This.

popeydokey · 07/10/2024 11:25

DrunkTinkerbell40s · 07/10/2024 11:21

Absolutely appreciate this, but you also get people that tell the OP to tell her child to not be so 'fucking stupid' or such a 'fucking idiot' and I just can't get my head around someone talking to a vulnerable person like that.

One poster, but yes, I disagree with that flippant comment!

ElleWoods15 · 07/10/2024 11:28

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 11:23

Yes, the linked blog post from the ‘gendercriticalwoman’ blog sounds like it’s going to give a really balanced view

Like your own balanced view.

My own view is that none of the support websites that have been mentioned is neutral. As I have said. The PP that suggested Gendered Intelligence was open about this; not all other PPs suggesting Bayswater et al have been similarly open.

Your point is?!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 11:32

@ElleWoods15

My point is that Gendered Intelligence is a trans lobby group as the pp correctly said and you for whatever reason took issue with.

The fact that you don't approve of a source which clearly documents this fact because it's by a gender critical woman is completely irrelevant to anything.

Ameliasvocalfry · 07/10/2024 11:33

Do you remember when your mum (or dad) said to you when you were a teen, "You're not going out dressed like that!"

It's what I would have said to your son, he wouldn't be making a show of himself or me, and I wouldn't have given him a lift either.

popeydokey · 07/10/2024 11:34

OP, what's his relationship like with his siblings? Is he likely to care about what they think or is he not that sort of person?