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SinnerBoy · 05/10/2024 16:19

CassieMaddox · Today 16:08

Sorry, why are you asking me to do that? It's entirely irrelevant to the conversation

Are you sure you're posting on the right thread?

GailBlancheViola · 05/10/2024 16:21

Moira Deeming not the first Australian MP to mention paedophilia in relation to the Safe Schools Programme and those associated with it I see.

MarieDeGournay · 05/10/2024 16:26

Justnot · 05/10/2024 13:36

to summarise (you lovely PPs could do much better I’m sure)

MDs not allowed to go to a women’s rally in case it looks bad
if you say Nazi you are a Nazi
you can’t say paedophile as it’s homophobic
if MD wins it’s bad for political parties (cry me a river) and proves nothing
If MD loses it proves JP et all were in the right even though their performances in court alone have been craven arse covering - wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them
oh and the whole world thinks KJK is a nazi or nazi adjacent - and we are deluded on here

i could go on but I can’t keep up with the twisty turny arguments - one minute its an argument next minute it’s a strawman

and the above is what we are expected to get behind or agree with on this board - never gonna happen is it………

there is no equivalence between turning up at a rally and publishing material promoting paedophilia - if you find your self in a position where you are defending that, find a better example ( I haven’t read it all but plausible deniability is not good enough). It was called safe schools so if they didn’t know they should have known.

Well summarised, Justnot, though I would add
'If confronted by Nazis, you should run away',

which LWS shockingly didn't do and therefore ..um... therefore.. oh fill in the blanks with some irrational accusations

Could I suggest adding to 'if you say Nazi you are a Nazi' with the following:

'if you say you are not a Nazi, you are a Nazi because [see above] you said the word 'Nazi' in saying you are not a Nazi.'

I suppose a defamation case could fail because the court could decide that an 'ordinary, reasonable person' [the gold standard for whether or not a statement is defamatory] would see right through the illogical circular Nazi-adjacent accusations against MD, as Justnot illustrated.

I don't know what the legalise for ' Sorry, MD, you have no case - no ordinary reasonable person would believe such illogical shit anyway'..

But the alleged defamers are not just anyone. The 'circumstances of publication' were not somebody muttering about MD being too fond of KJK who is too fond of Nazis in the corner of a pub, they were elected public representatives and public servants. The leader of the opposition and his staff, no less. They hold positions in society where their words carry weight and have a wide audience. They would also be expected by an ordinary reasonable person to be more aware of responsible factchecking than the somebody muttering in the corner of a pub would be.

That said, the 'ordinary reasonable person' is sometimes in short supply, and judging from some of the tortuous [not tortiousSmile] arguments on here.

LongtailedTitmouse · 05/10/2024 16:41

Why did my post, pointing out paedophile apologists would very likely claim to be offended by that description, get deleted? I wasn’t accusing anyone merely pointing out that someone claiming to take offence is no indication of purity of motive.

It is rather disturbing that MN and whoever reported it would want such an obvious statement removed.

Datun · 05/10/2024 16:42

LongtailedTitmouse · 05/10/2024 16:41

Why did my post, pointing out paedophile apologists would very likely claim to be offended by that description, get deleted? I wasn’t accusing anyone merely pointing out that someone claiming to take offence is no indication of purity of motive.

It is rather disturbing that MN and whoever reported it would want such an obvious statement removed.

Edited

Report your post and ask them.

LongtailedTitmouse · 05/10/2024 16:51

Datun · 05/10/2024 16:42

Report your post and ask them.

I have done so. It is rather shocking that we are being censored for pointing out basic safeguarding points.

Datun · 05/10/2024 16:56

LongtailedTitmouse · 05/10/2024 16:51

I have done so. It is rather shocking that we are being censored for pointing out basic safeguarding points.

Maybe it has been misunderstood. If so, just rewrite it leaving out the bit that they object to. Because of course, safeguarding issues should be read by everyone.

timenowplease · 05/10/2024 17:04

LongtailedTitmouse · 05/10/2024 16:51

I have done so. It is rather shocking that we are being censored for pointing out basic safeguarding points.

We're kind of not. They're not really even reading them. The post is deleted seconds after it's reported.

It's an improvement on before, when you couldn't even say the word 'grooming'.

CassieMaddox · 05/10/2024 17:29

SinnerBoy · 05/10/2024 16:19

CassieMaddox · Today 16:08

Sorry, why are you asking me to do that? It's entirely irrelevant to the conversation

Are you sure you're posting on the right thread?

Are you sure you are following the conversation? Confused The comment you snipped from my post was nothing to do with nazis or nazi adjacent, the person I was replying to also was not discussing that.

It's a bit weird and coming across like you jumped in half cocked. Blush

LongtailedTitmouse · 05/10/2024 18:21

CassieMaddox · 05/10/2024 17:29

Are you sure you are following the conversation? Confused The comment you snipped from my post was nothing to do with nazis or nazi adjacent, the person I was replying to also was not discussing that.

It's a bit weird and coming across like you jumped in half cocked. Blush

Why should my post have been related to Nazis? If I wanted to talk about them I would have mentioned them. I didn’t.

CassieMaddox · 05/10/2024 18:35

LongtailedTitmouse · 05/10/2024 18:21

Why should my post have been related to Nazis? If I wanted to talk about them I would have mentioned them. I didn’t.

I wasn't replying to you Confused

SinnerBoy · 05/10/2024 20:15

MarieDeGournay · Today 16:26

'If confronted by Nazis, you should run away',

Proof positive, as the TRA mob didn't run away - much less confront the Nazis - that the TRAs are Nazis, by their on logic.

SinnerBoy · 05/10/2024 20:18

CassieMaddox · Today 17:29

The comment you snipped from my post was nothing to do with nazis or nazi adjacent, the person I was replying to also was not discussing that.

I don't know whether or not you've realised it, but the entire thread is based on the premise that Moria Deeming has been portrayed as a Nazi. You may or may not realise that you have accused her of being not unadjacent, by association.

LongtailedTitmouse · 05/10/2024 20:18

CassieMaddox · 05/10/2024 18:35

I wasn't replying to you Confused

Sorry, scanned through the thread too fast

BezMills · 05/10/2024 20:18

Yesterday afternoon Victorians witnessed an abomination on the steps of the Victorian Parliament when neo-Nazí protesters engaged in an affront to the values we should all hold dear as Victorians.
The violence, prejudice and hate that these protesters conveyed by their odious actions will never be acceptable in our State. I condemn them and commit to opposing such hate wherever it may exist.
This afternoon I met with Moira Deeming MP who attended yesterday's rally. I discussed her involvement in organising, promoting and participating in a rally with speakers and other organisers who themselves have been publicly associated with far right-wing extremist groups including neo-Nazi activists.
At our meeting informed Ms Deeming that I will move a motion at the next party room meeting to expel her asa member of the parliamentary Liberal Party as her position is untenable.
This is not an issue about free speech but a member of the parliamentary party associating with people whose views are abhorrent to my values, the values of the Liberal Party and the wider community.

There's so many lies there it's hard to know where to start. Easy to see how he's now in court with all of his accomplices who helped him create this towering edifice of outright falsehoods and baseless smears.

Absolutely atrocious, he must have a neck of brass to be able to show his face in public.

Imnobody4 · 05/10/2024 21:27

This video is interesting. I hadn't heard KJK had had an apology from ABC.
Clip from 3.42.

Whole interview is here but J P just waffles.

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mothra · 05/10/2024 23:28

I have said several times on this thread and the last that Dowsett is the Deputy Director of the Centre which produced Safe Schools. His paper defending paedophilia was linked on his university online biography.

The program Safe Schools was specifically addressing sexuality in young people.

I am not engaging with you anymore on this issue Cassie.

CassieMaddox · 06/10/2024 00:08

mothra · 05/10/2024 23:28

I have said several times on this thread and the last that Dowsett is the Deputy Director of the Centre which produced Safe Schools. His paper defending paedophilia was linked on his university online biography.

The program Safe Schools was specifically addressing sexuality in young people.

I am not engaging with you anymore on this issue Cassie.

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OK. Fine by me.

CassieMaddox · 06/10/2024 00:10

SinnerBoy · 05/10/2024 20:18

CassieMaddox · Today 17:29

The comment you snipped from my post was nothing to do with nazis or nazi adjacent, the person I was replying to also was not discussing that.

I don't know whether or not you've realised it, but the entire thread is based on the premise that Moria Deeming has been portrayed as a Nazi. You may or may not realise that you have accused her of being not unadjacent, by association.

Yes I do realise but the conversation you chose to get involved with was not about that.

Filomene · 06/10/2024 02:16

Quick facts:

Before she became a member of the Upper House the concerns was about Moira Deeming's stance against abortion. She said in her recording and in her cross examination that she wouldn't make her personal stance on abortion affect her support of the party's stance - and she hasn't. Her predecessor, a man, did let his anti-abortion stance conflict with the party's stance.

Also, it isn't necessary to get a police permit to hold a rally in Victoria. The women chose to get one so they could liaise with police because they knew they needed extra security rather than the security that would have been normally present there to keep the building safe.

Filomene · 06/10/2024 02:23

Interesting article from the Australian. archive.md/Vot9E

AlisonDonut · 06/10/2024 06:44

Filomene · 06/10/2024 02:16

Quick facts:

Before she became a member of the Upper House the concerns was about Moira Deeming's stance against abortion. She said in her recording and in her cross examination that she wouldn't make her personal stance on abortion affect her support of the party's stance - and she hasn't. Her predecessor, a man, did let his anti-abortion stance conflict with the party's stance.

Also, it isn't necessary to get a police permit to hold a rally in Victoria. The women chose to get one so they could liaise with police because they knew they needed extra security rather than the security that would have been normally present there to keep the building safe.

How did the police know that neo Nazis were going to be there, enough to arrange an escort for the whole time?

Cailin66 · 06/10/2024 08:44

Imnobody4 · 05/10/2024 00:23

But not to distort, cherry pick and misrepresent the facts to suit their prejudices.

This. This is not just what Cassie does,but it’s what the document did, and it was the aim of John Pesutto and the other men at the top in the Liberal Party were doong to take down Moira.

BezMills · 06/10/2024 09:02

AlisonDonut · 06/10/2024 06:44

How did the police know that neo Nazis were going to be there, enough to arrange an escort for the whole time?

One of the lads probably mentioned he would be late for dinner in the family whatsapp group, cos he'd be out pretending to be a nazi all day.

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