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Snowypeaks · 06/10/2024 09:15

Pesutto and his gang have shown terrible political judgement, quite apart from the morally indefensible reluctance to investigate paedophilia apologists.They are toast, and rightly so.

On the upside, the second season storyline of MD becoming leader of a reborn and refocused Victorian Liberal Party is very much on!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/10/2024 09:18

Thanks @FeralWoman interesting comments! Quite a bit of support for Moira Deeming, lots of criticism of Pesutto

"Agree, Persutto needs to go. His court battle with Deeming is not going well.
Too many yes men and women telling him he needs to stay.

It wasn't Persutto who got this 10 point lead but the destructive nature of the Labor party"

"The word Deeming is his destiny. The knifes are sharpening."

My favourite

"Even Biden wasn’t as Stubborn as Pesutto"

Helleofabore · 06/10/2024 09:36

Well this will be interesting ! Thanks feral!

AlisonDonut · 06/10/2024 09:46

Cailin66 · 06/10/2024 08:44

This. This is not just what Cassie does,but it’s what the document did, and it was the aim of John Pesutto and the other men at the top in the Liberal Party were doong to take down Moira.

The document that collected the spin put about by the type of person that has spun tall tales of KJK for years you mean?

The original instigator of which finally saw sense in Sheffield a few weeks back?

I think they are just mad that their lies are being found out in court and they may have to backtrack themselves. Hence the continual pretend bafflement about what this is all about.

Helleofabore · 06/10/2024 10:05

What is rather surprising is the incongruence of expelling Moira Deeming because defending women’s rights was considered too damaging and the leadership team considered the Victorian public would be unable to believe that the women were not connected to the neo Nazis once shown evidence (evidence they were too lazy to discover), but, Pesutto confidently thinks what was presented by the team’s testimony will have no impact to his leadership position.

It is is all posturing, of course.

I wonder what would have happened had the media consultants-cum-leadership team staff done the work to discover the truth and published which group were the ‘women’ that the neo Nazis were there to support? Probably they couldn’t even if they had done the work. Because the reaction to Angie Jones’s misrepresented tweet would have still been an issue.

And I doubt that the leadership team would have wanted to expose the ‘eroticising infancy’ aspect. Because the group that the team were prioritising over women’s rights campaigners would have made wildly disproportionate accusations about that tweet.

However, it really does show how little the Victorian Liberal Party believes Victorians will be able to understand the complexities of what happened that day.

And it does highlight just how that team themselves will catastrophise situations without taking the time or effort to understand full context. They were/are stuck in polarisation mode. I wouldn’t consider that to be a strong political strategy.

NotBadConsidering · 06/10/2024 10:22

Great news! Holding him to account one way at least.

CassieMaddox · 06/10/2024 10:24

Yesterday's new fun fact I learnt about the rally was Angie Jones specifically reached out to Antifa to invite them to the Rally to protect the protesters from Nazis as women can't do it themselves Confused

Odd behaviour but does I guess show why she and Keen thought the men were antifa

https://x.com/angijones/status/1637692482065666048

x.com

https://x.com/angijones/status/1637692482065666048

CassieMaddox · 06/10/2024 10:30

AlisonDonut · 06/10/2024 09:46

The document that collected the spin put about by the type of person that has spun tall tales of KJK for years you mean?

The original instigator of which finally saw sense in Sheffield a few weeks back?

I think they are just mad that their lies are being found out in court and they may have to backtrack themselves. Hence the continual pretend bafflement about what this is all about.

Is it a lie that KJK was interviewed by Gariepy? Or Carl Benjamin? Is it a lie that she tweeted endorsing Donald Trump?

How about the lie that she's associated with CPAC?

See, I believe all those things (and others) to be facts.

What you refer to as "a lie" appears to be the conclusion people might draw from those facts. I'd call that "an opinion" and I think people are entitled to their opinions, and to express them as long as they do so politely.

CassieMaddox · 06/10/2024 10:34

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jul/28/out-of-stepvictorias-first-openly-gay-mp-slams-liberal-party-leadership-over-moira-deeming-preselection

Tony Barry, a former senior Liberal staffer who is now with political consulting outfit RedBridge, agreed, pointing to previous failed attempts by Liberal leaders to sway the result of preselections.

In 2014, the then premier Denis Napthine wrote to every local branch member pleading with them to vote for cabinet minister Mary Wooldridge for the seat of Kew. She lost to Tim Smith.

He urged branch members to be more responsible.

“Branch members should know better than to preselect a candidate like Moira Deeming,” Barry said

“It is not the first time they’ve given the leadership team a club-shit-sandwich, and then they’ll be the first ones to complain if we lose and blame everyone but themselves.”

😱

NotBadConsidering · 06/10/2024 10:36

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/pesutto-could-face-leadership-challenge-as-early-as-next-week-liberals-say-20241006-p5kg6h.html

Quote from Crozier:

“We are 10 points ahead in the polls even with the court case hanging over us, and now it’s behind us.”

“Behind us”? Apart from the closing arguments and the actual judgment she means? Confused Amazing how people just want to wave the silly woman Deeming away as a minor inconvenience.

Pesutto could face leadership challenge as early as next week, Liberals say

Tensions in the Liberal party room remain high after two weeks of courtroom drama in Moira Deeming’s defamation trial against leader John Pesutto.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/pesutto-could-face-leadership-challenge-as-early-as-next-week-liberals-say-20241006-p5kg6h.html

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/10/2024 10:38

We are 10 points ahead in the polls even with the court case hanging over us, and now it’s behind us.”

Behind us”? Apart from the closing arguments and the actual judgment she means? Amazing how people just want to wave the silly woman Deeming away as a minor inconvenience.

The arrogance reminds me of Labour here in the U.K.

CassieMaddox · 06/10/2024 10:39

Yeah, their "arrogance" really caused problems for them in the GE.

Maybe, just maybe, policians that think gender ideology isn't interesting to voters and getting involved in culture wars is damaging are right, not arrogant?

NotBadConsidering · 06/10/2024 10:52

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/10/2024 10:38

We are 10 points ahead in the polls even with the court case hanging over us, and now it’s behind us.”

Behind us”? Apart from the closing arguments and the actual judgment she means? Amazing how people just want to wave the silly woman Deeming away as a minor inconvenience.

The arrogance reminds me of Labour here in the U.K.

Exactly. “These silly women will go away eventually. Just call their fight for rights a ‘culture war’ and we can dismiss it.”

GailBlancheViola · 06/10/2024 10:52

Women's rights are not a culture war, how dismissive and denigrating of you to think that they are.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/10/2024 11:01

Exactly. “These silly women will go away eventually. Just call their fight for rights a ‘culture war’ and we can dismiss it.”

Spot on. All over the world.

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/10/2024 11:05

Of course the term 'culture war' is used in order to dismiss and invalidate non establishment views. Through a sleight of hand excessive liberal cultural imposition is made to appear as if it is a figment of the imagination, only indulged in by those with less important things to think about.

However, I'd say that culture is increasingly an issue, and cultural issues do motivate many people, for the reason that values, ways of life, norms and practices are encoded in culture.

CassieMaddox · 06/10/2024 11:05

GailBlancheViola · 06/10/2024 10:52

Women's rights are not a culture war, how dismissive and denigrating of you to think that they are.

The kind of thing KJK is proposing is not "womens rights". "Womens sex based rights" is more accurate but people prefer to say "womens rights" to make it seem like anti-KJK feminists are somehow sexist.

A lot of what KJK advocates for will be harmful to women. No true "womens rights campaigner" would be advocating a proven sex offender who wants to ban abortion as POTUS.

It is a culture war when people go go round calling those they disagree with "paedos", "paedophile apologists", "groomers" and accuse them of being happy with "mutilating children" and "using women as props".

Womens rights absolutely should not be a culture war. The issue we now have is KJK and right wing politicians have made it so. Its infuriating.

GailBlancheViola · 06/10/2024 11:06

Quite a statement from a purported feminist on a feminist board that women's rights are a culture war.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/10/2024 11:07

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/10/2024 11:01

Exactly. “These silly women will go away eventually. Just call their fight for rights a ‘culture war’ and we can dismiss it.”

Spot on. All over the world.

Fortunately I don't know anyone who thinks protecting women's rights and safeguarding children is a "culture war". That seems to be the preserve of the arrogant leftie men and odd right wingers online.
Although I suspect it was a right wing / left wing trope at one stage so many people have been horrified at what's happened to children they've woken up and understood the implications.

borntobequiet · 06/10/2024 11:09

Yeah, their "arrogance" really caused problems for them in the GE.

In which they polled worse than under Jeremy Corbyn. And it isn’t doing them any favours currently.
And I say that as someone who deplored the previous Conservative series of governments.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/10/2024 11:10

Fortunately I don't know anyone who thinks protecting women's rights and safeguarding children is a "culture war". That seems to be the preserve of the arrogant leftie men and odd right wingers online.

I agree.

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/10/2024 11:18

CassieMaddox · 06/10/2024 11:05

The kind of thing KJK is proposing is not "womens rights". "Womens sex based rights" is more accurate but people prefer to say "womens rights" to make it seem like anti-KJK feminists are somehow sexist.

A lot of what KJK advocates for will be harmful to women. No true "womens rights campaigner" would be advocating a proven sex offender who wants to ban abortion as POTUS.

It is a culture war when people go go round calling those they disagree with "paedos", "paedophile apologists", "groomers" and accuse them of being happy with "mutilating children" and "using women as props".

Womens rights absolutely should not be a culture war. The issue we now have is KJK and right wing politicians have made it so. Its infuriating.

Edited

Women's rights and issues belong to all women, not just those you approve of.
The female centred perspective is neither Right nor Left.

CassieMaddox · 06/10/2024 11:23

GailBlancheViola · 06/10/2024 11:06

Quite a statement from a purported feminist on a feminist board that women's rights are a culture war.

You sound like Maria Miller.
As well as saying something I haven't actually said.

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