Moira Deeming in Australia - thread 3

[TheSandgroper]

Following on from busy threads 1 and 2

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5167282-in-australia-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-now-on

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5172553-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-thread-2-from-australia

Keep on discussing, ladies. Change never happens in silence.

Thank you for the sources. I do think, though, we need to very careful about how we use the word 'grooming'. I'm not seeing 'grooming' here. This isn't an underground agenda to abuse children.

I have been wondering about a neighbour's children. They are still quite young, but are regularly verbally and emotionally abused by their mother. My thoughts were along the lines of how could they recognise they need help? They likely don't even know they are being abused. A school program like this could be the spark that helps such children. Can you see that?

She even said this on the meeting audio she recorded. The audio some posters believed where Moira Deeming blatantly ignored the suggestions of Pesutto, where Pesutto didn’t give any suggestions except that they should meet around 3 pm to discuss it further.

Some misrepresentations are willful at this point.

And I have not seen anything from
Moira Deeming to suggest she is ever interested in campaigning to remove LGB ‘family’ rights either. She has also told us that she has significant support from lesbians, she offered to have some visibly support Pesutto so why on earth are we seeing this constant attempt to bring in her religion. Kevin Rudd (Labour) and Tony Abbott (Liberal) were PMs known for their religious beliefs. Paul Keating and Anthony Albanese are also Catholics. There seems to be an over reliance on discrediting her due to her religious belief.

Similar over here with Kate Forbes of the SNP when she was running for leadership of the party. Her religious belief and personal anti-abortion stance was used against her.

Well now Cassie you as usual get things wrong, looks like Moria’s set to return to the party

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/moira-deeming-could-return-to-the-liberal-party-as-part-of-a-possible-leadership-challenge/video/c9b29e00addb152fedb20e0c87d572ec

Not going to happen says Cassie, lol.

If the respectful relationships programme removes gender ideology and queer theory from its curriculum, yes, I can see that.
But what exists today in Victorian schools is abusive and grooming.
You don't get to tell me how to use grooming. It is strong language and it is supposed to be. Because what they are doing to children is abuse. It is grooming them into a harmful ideology.

I have been wondering about a neighbour's children. They are still quite young, but are regularly verbally and emotionally abused by their mother. My thoughts were along the lines of how could they recognise they need help? They likely don't even know they are being abused. A school program like this could be the spark that helps such children. Can you see that?

Are you seriously posting that you witness abuse of your neighbour's young children & do nothing, except 'ponder' whether they'll be 'sparked' into speaking up at school, rather than report what you claim to have witnessed yourself regularly?

Either they're 'regularly verbally & emotionally abused' & you, as a regular witness of this behaviour, should report this to authorities. Or I'm calling this bullshit.

Moira Deeming could return to the Liberal Party as part of a possible leadership challenge

It would be such a perfect ending

@GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder

Are you seriously posting that you witness abuse of your neighbour's young children & do nothing, except 'ponder' whether they'll be 'sparked' into speaking up at school, rather than report what you claim to have witnessed yourself regularly?

Either they're 'regularly verbally & emotionally abused' & you, as a regular witness of this behaviour, should report this to authorities. Or I'm calling this bullshit.

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. I haven't "witnessed" it - I've heard it. Most days. It's difficult for me to hear as my own mother was the same.

I don't know the proper channels to approach. (Im not in Britain.) I've been on the verge of calling the police plenty of times, but I'm not sure they would do anything about purely verbal abuse. This is why school programs like this could fill such a gap. A child like me would have appreciated it.

@Cailin66

Well now Cassie you as usual get things wrong, looks like Moria’s set to return to the party

Not going to happen says Cassie, lol.

The article you linked says Deeming may be welcomed back into the Party Room. It doesn't mean she will be challenging for the leadership - just that she may have a vote.

The problem is that big institutions an organisations are slow and cumbersome. Once something is embedded it can be difficult to root out. It takes time. Even though many organisations are now withdrawing from Stonewall's scheme, for example, it is still being taken up and implemented by others.

Certain fashions in clothing are still worn for a long time by many people, even after the next fashion has come along. People are creatures of routine and habit.

What's more - the people implementing such practices or routines have become habituated to them, or see them as necessary or good things to do. They are ideologically 'captured'. It can take a generation or two to turn things around. It is not so much about radical over-throw as about re-establishing certain principles and values then re-embedding them.

It is possible to be aware of and involved with a wide range of issues, whilst still having a particular passion and/or area of speciality or focus.

"I don't know the proper channels to approach. (Im not in Britain.) I've been on the verge of calling the police plenty of times"

Rubbish. Whether or not the police do anything is besides the point [and you know it.]

No. I'm saying a overtly religious leader is unlikely to command enough of the vote in a secular country. Big difference.

Look at what happened to Tim Farron in the UK for example.

I also think that any patriarchal religion has practices that harm women so her devout Christianity might make her less attractive to feminist voters, even though she advocates for single sex spaces.

Have you had an issue following the thread? I was replying to a post saying she'd make a great leader

Humza Yousaf is openly Muslim. He even published a photo of Muslim prayers in Bute House.

What you are actually saying is being Christian is a problem.

I don't have to be supportive of people with a very different view of life to myself.

I would compare the reaction to Deemings views on abortion to the speculation about Starmers children's gender identity.

Pro-life apparently personal choice, should be ignored unless it's overtly part of politics. Possible (although unlikely) trans child - can't be objective, will def be "captured" even if says not, so not trustworthy and not worth voting for.

It doesn't matter to many voters what she says. Many voters on point of principle won't vote for someone pro-life. And that's entirely up to them.

I wouldn't vote for Humza Yousaf either.

Being very strongly of any patriarchal religion is a problem. To the point where the politician starts suggesting the beliefs of that religion should form part of how civil society addresses certain topics.

This sort of Religious influence would worry me very much if it were happening in the UK. Regardless of the type of religion:

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/101611840

You phone the police, your local social services, the children's school, anyone else you can think of and you tell them all what you've witnessed. (And hearing it is witnessing it.) Every time. You record It if you can.

It might not make any difference, but surely its better than assuming the kids will tell someone at some point.

You mean like if there were a lobby group in parliament pushing for the interests of a particular religion?

https://appgbritishmuslims.org

@Boiledbeetle

You phone the police, your local social services, the children's school, anyone else you can think of and you tell them all what you've witnessed. (And hearing it is witnessing it.) Every time. You record It if you can.

It might not make any difference, but surely it's better than assuming the kids will tell someone at some point.

Thank you Boiled - it's likely that I'll report it to Social Services. It's so hard to hear.

"Thank you Boiled - it's likely that I'll report it to Social Services. It's so hard to hear."

So you do know the proper channels to report this to?

Safeguarding is everyone's responsibility.

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