Moira Deeming in Australia - thread 3

[TheSandgroper]

Following on from busy threads 1 and 2

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5167282-in-australia-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-now-on

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5172553-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-thread-2-from-australia

Keep on discussing, ladies. Change never happens in silence.

Unfortunately for me this trial looks like that. It's going to destroy the current incarnation of the Liberal party from what I can see.

Only those currently at the helm.

Are you forgetting about Moria Deeming? She'd make a fantastic leader of the Liberal party.

This is what I have been rooting for/predicting all along! 😄
She has come through fire and her strong character and fundamental decency has been revealed by it. I hope the Liberals of Victoria can see it.

Absolutely. Her integrity shines through.

Are you saying that Moira Deeming has no quibble with the current school RR curriculum. this thread isn't about me so don't try to make it about me.

😂
No, no she wouldn't. Single issue politicians can't gain enough support to challenge in elections, neither do politicians with views at either end of the political spectrum.

She's only useful if she's in government and that's not going to happen if her party swing further right.

Look at what happened to the Tories.

You said about Respectful Relationships "the grooming continues". I'm also curious what you meant by that?

Why do you think her party couldn’t end up in government if they swing to the right? Have you not seen what has been happening to numerous countries with left-wing governments in the most recent polls?

And if we look what has happened to the Tories? They have lost votes to Reform on their right, not to Labour

“Unfortunately for me this trial looks like that. It's going to destroy the current incarnation of the Liberal party from what I can see.”

This is an overly catastrophic statement.

This trial will not ‘destroy’ the current incarnation of the Liberal Party. It will likely force a removal of the leadership team in Victoria.

In Victoria only.

Australian political parties are quite regularly spilling leaders at state and national level. It doesn’t ‘destroy’ them. Because the factions have always been in the parties and they cycle through.

Having a change in leadership now will be wise to allow the new leader to settle in.

Considering one of the contenders this time around was beaten by one vote last time, it seems overly dramatic to suppose that he could not have the same degree of support at least this time around. I doubt any challenger would mount this challenge if they did not have confidence that one of them will beat Pesutto.

Are you forgetting about Moria Deeming? She'd make a fantastic leader of the Liberal party.

I agree. She's brilliant.

Lots of us got stick for being single issue voters in the UK GE. People couldn't understand why Keir Starmer's 'It should NEVER be said that only women have a cervix' and his inability to say what a woman was made him totally unsuitable to run a country. And so it's been proved. Corrupt, lacking integrity, economically backward and devoid of good ideas.

I'd prefer someone with moral fibre, integrity, intelligence and a genuine care for and interest in the welfare of her constituents any day of the week.

Sounds good to me and that should be across all publicly funded institutions - the NHS, the Police, schools, etc.

And the only flags that should be flown on any public owned building should be the flag of the UK and the flags of England, Scotland and Wales.

Yes in the U.K., maybe not in Australia

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Which governments are you thinking of here?
Most of the ones I can think of that have "swung to the right" have then shat their pants and gone back to the centre. Possible exception being Italy.

I really doubt Moira Deeming could win an election. But luckily it will have a very limited impact on me if she does.

Sure. My point is the "single issue voters" aren't enough to win the election. Look what's happened here. We got Labour despite the stuff about not knowing what a woman is, and the most prominent GC Labour politician has gone independent. All the "single issue" campaigning made very little difference.

I'm sure it will be the same in Oz. Especially if Deeming is leader and is campaigning on "womens rights" whilst being anti-abortion and pro the Christian family set up. Most feminists aren't interested in that approach to "womens rights" (due to the fact it harms women more than it helps them) and most of the general public don't care enough to make it a voting issue.

In general the public don't vote for a divided party either so I doubt she'd do well. But we'll see. Maybe I'll be proved wrong.

Moira Deeming has explicitly stated she would not campaign to change legislation on abortion. What do you mean by the Christian family set up?
Are you saying religious people have no place in politics?

I love the idea of MD as an opposition leader.
Basically everything that brought her to the attention of the now discredited liberal party leadership is what makes her a good candidate. I looked on her page on the parliament website and she has a clear political vision concerning the balance of government and individual rights and responsibilities which sits very naturally in a centre-right political space. She is socially liberal.
She has 4 kids and a SAHD as a husband.
She has a history of engagement with social issues.
Her campaigning for women's rights and child safeguarding would show the electorate that she passionately cares about something, without being an ideologue. As well as integrity, people look for humanity in their leaders.
Working class girl made good.
Extremely personable. Expresses herself well.
Young.
Has life experience extending beyond politics.

Star in the making.

Moira Deeming has explicitly stated she would not campaign to change legislation on abortion.

Cassie's been told that a thousand times already. It doesn't seem to have landed yet.

Yeah, but for all those who have a hate fest for KJK, Deeming is forever tainted by her association with her.

And KJK is no doubt tainted by her association with Deeming. See how that works?

Despite everything they do for women (or probably because of it) they can both get written off simultaneously.

Don't think it ever will but I don't like to give up.

@Filomene

Are you saying that Moira Deeming has no quibble with the current school RR curriculum. this thread isn't about me so don't try to make it about me.

I can't speak for Moira Deeming, but you said "the grooming continues," with regards to Respectful Relationships and I'm curious about that as RR is more about the reduction of violence and abuse, particularly towards women and girls.

@timenowplease

Are you forgetting about Moria Deeming? She'd make a fantastic leader of the Liberal party.

Perhaps in a few years, she might, but not just yet. In political years, she's still a rookie.

@Imnobody4

Are you saying religious people have no place in politics?

The previous Liberal Prime Minister of Australia, Scott Morrison, is a Christian evangelical. He didn't often allow his beliefs to seep into his work life, but when they did, it didn't go down well. Religion and politics shouldn't mix.

https://stopgendereducation.au/state/victoria/vicrre/

Here's another one. Most parents don't know what is embedded in the fabric of these documents. They present gender identity and trans as if these are settled and widespread cultural norms when at the same time claim they are 'disrupting the cisheteronormative narrative'. The resources here is what cascades from passing on gender activism in schools hence why I call it 'grooming'. this is how grooming works - it hides the intent and proceeds with the unwitting's trust that the person in authority is well-intentioned (and young teachers were groomed into the ideology at university) but there is a parallel motivation in the background where the true damage is being done. These resources show how the grooming happens.
www.leaveourkidzalone.org/resources