Listen up cis people! Educate yourselves!

[BettyBooper]

Read this and be told!

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/sep/30/will-ferrell-harper-steele-netflix-documentary

But for the most part are not allowed to impose them on everyone.

Well that’s fine then, because we can include trans women in the women definition (seeing as they aren’t men).

I believe they are men. In late middle age my brother had his penis inverted and grew pill-induced boobs. That did not change his sex and I really do not want to share a changing room with him. Or any women-only space.

What does matter is that we have the ability to be very clear who is and isn’t female with modern technology.

And female people are those who have a body formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether that body does or doesn’t produce those large gametes. No female has ever produced small gametes.

And the word woman is the descriptor for female humans who are post pubescent. There is no getting away from that. No queer theory attempts to destabilise this succeed.

Already we have many exceptions to this apparently new group of women. And if a male rapist can no longer be treated as their demanded identity, if male sports people are not treated as being a woman, and if rape crisis centres now need to understand that male people are not women, the logic that has been used in the past has crumbled significantly.

If one male rapist / athlete / rape crisis centre staff is to be excluded from the description, then logic states none of these male people are ‘women’ in any material way. Because no female person can ever be excluded from
being female for any purpose. They are always female if they have the body that has been formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether they have produced those gametes.

some men aren’t men

Well that all seems completely clear and not like a secret cry for help

Why do any single sex spaces or sports need to be policed?

Surely a male who knows that they are male will fully respect that they are not female and not demand to be treated as female to access these things?

Or are some posters stating that policing is needed because some male people cannot be trusted and therefore policing is needed?

What is the point of including trans women in the definition of "women"?

If "women" is now a mixed sex group, what group are we describing and why?

The other day I had booked someone to come and do a household repair. When I opened the door I initially registered a long haired man, but as he came into the house I realised he* was apparently presenting as a woman - wearing unisex overalls but with earrings, a bit of makeup and most noticeably what was probably a padded bra of some kind under the overalls. He was very nice and we got on perfectly well and in fact had a laugh about various things, but not for a second was I able to think of him as a woman or by female pronouns - when telling DH later about the repair, I instinctively kept saying "he" and "the bloke" etc.

Anyway my point being it's very hard to override your perception of someone's sex.

Not to get all "stunning n brave" but I do in fact think it's quite brave, or at least resilient to be that person and do a job where you're going into new people's houses all the time. He must get a lot of side-eye.

*no, I did not enquire about pronouns and am going on my perception of the person as male.

Happily, there was no need to, because trans hadn’t been discovered. Or rather, invented.

The one and only defining and required part of being a transwoman is being a man!

No one else can qualify!

<Muses that no one is rushing around after men self IDing, demanding to check their DNA to ensure that they are in fact actually qualified to BE transwomen. After all no one knows. Gravity after all is just a social construct. And kittens are small lawnmowers moving backwards through time manifesting donuts. It's all true, I read it on the internet.>

Considering as a species we have survived long enough to have evolved enough that we can now communicate through the ether of the internet I'm going to go with half the human race being able to correctly sex the other half for all of human history, apart from it seems the last 10 years of so.

From the time when we only grunted and had no spoken language human beings have been able to just know which sex is which and have been rather successful at it.

Sorry I’m allergic to “cis” anything.
If that word appears in a sentence the answer is NO!

I spent 2 days in staff training on gender, diversity & inclusion listening to Cis man/ woman and gender assigned at birth etc. I really struggled not to challenge the presenter. Some of the statements they were coming out with were untrue & a lot of gas lighting was done. It's horrific that we're in the middle of an ideological brainwashing experiment.

Good grief this thread has gone down a very bizarre rabbit hole! The fact that some (a tiny minority of) people have 'different views' of what a woman is doesn't change the facts of biology. Just as the belief in creationism doesn't obviate the evidence of evolution. (Albeit I accept that evolution is less scientifically certain than the fact of there being two biological sexes, male and female. Which is as certain as any science gets)
Just because people historically didn't understand genetics, doesn't mean that genes didn't exist! Of course we could all 'police' the difference between men and women without having to do a DNA test 🤣. Because one of the most - if not the most - fundamental drivers of a species existence is reproduction.

Thought that was changing now at least as far as India goes? Pretty sure I've seen reports of (successful, how could it be otherwise) lawsuits by "transwomen" insisting on access to women's spaces.

It wouldn't need to be Policed. One look at a bloke in a dress and you can tell it's a bloke in a dress. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

I'm always curious as to what characteristics 'transwomen' share with all women, but no non-trans-identifying men.

To warrant us being lumped in together, you'd think that criteria would be obvious. But no answer (that makes any sense) is ever forthcoming.

I'm always curious as to what characteristics 'transwomen' share with all women, but no non-trans-identifying men.

I'm also curious but for some reason, over a decade of asking many people who subscribe to a belief in innate gender identity, have never received an answer.

I was in the Gents at Heathrow Terminal 2 last Wednesday @ElleWoods15 , being a bloke, when I saw a woman washing her face next to me. I had previously been next to her at Security. No test was necessary. She was obviously a woman in her late 40s early 50s , jeans jumper short hair dyed brown. Maybe the Ladies was too crowded whatever . No offence meant or taken. A woman friend was quite pissed off to see a man in her toilet at Edinburgh airport last winter though. It is different and it is dishonest of you to pretend you don't know it.

In what way does this programme NOT make the definition of 'mansplaining'?

Can someone tell me as I value my time. I have some paint to watch drying and after that I need to listen to nails down a blackboard.

Indeed. Imagine what this is doing to children who have yet to develop the critical faculties to spot bullshit and confidence to challenge it when it's presented to them?

Watched it on Netflix - actually felt sorry 😢 for the guy till I saw the burk marching into the ladies loo!

I don't agree. Genes are the building blocks of life itself and predate every single human concept. Womanhood is a much more recent invention.

Sorry to break it to you but these men who identify as not men are in fact men.

Same here.

In your opinion, for which you’ll get a lot of support on this particular echo chamber. Outside it, less so.