Listen up cis people! Educate yourselves!

[BettyBooper]

Read this and be told!

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/sep/30/will-ferrell-harper-steele-netflix-documentary

No it doesn't.
Genetics was always there. Making us male or female.
The whole time the species was evolving.
Kind of a blueprint, so to speak

And if you take that out of the equation what biology are you tying it to? Having a womb? Reproductive capability?!

Do explain your sleight of hand that took genetics out of the equation, please

In what way did you find that video educational?

I seem to say this more than I ever expected to, but you’ve got to wonder how some people think babies are made

It is quite something to see this repeatedly trotted out. Like the people will simply automatically change their mind upon talking to a trans person or that there are a large enough % of people who have made their minds up without ever interacting with a trans person.

It is just another sly way of trying to call people bigoted at this stage I think. I can’t think why else this would matter.

Or maybe, we have to think that all trans people are like some poster’s lovely mates and there are no trans people who stand and scream in people’s faces that that are fascist Nazis, or who are such narcissists that friendships rarely last, or who work with males who show everyday how little respect they have for any female colleagues.

I mean, apparently, any reservations about male people accessing single sex spaces, male athletes demanding access to e
female sport and male people demanding female pronouns will simply disappear once posters on FWR talk to enough people with trans identities.

Love, love, love that definition. May I borrow it?

But your argument is that people should be excluded from the definition of woman on the basis that they don’t have XX chromosomes. How exactly would you have been planning to police that before DNA had been discovered?!

I thought it was great. It was a lesson in emotional manipulation. Particularly the bits about it being no one else’s business.

I mean. Gosh…. So female people who need single sex spaces just need to STFU?

I mean Harper is not unlikeable. Seems like a nice guy. Just failing to take into account the feelings of the sex he is appropriating. You can only do that if you have no respect for or empathy for that sex. You think it is something it is not. Same goes for Ferrell. I find it hard to accept that people don't/can't see this. It is so odd!

looks like I need to get this out for the gazillionth time

But your argument is that people should be excluded from the definition of woman on the basis that they don’t have XX chromosomes.

Nah. Men are excluded from the definition of women because they are men.

you don't need to police it - opposite sexes recognise one another instinctively. It is an animal thing.

And this kind of ‘well if they tick off x number of these characteristics they must be a man’ thinking is the kind of thinking that lead to a thread a few weeks back (deleted at the OP’s request when her mistake was pointed out) accusing Worlds Strongest Women contestants of being trans women (they weren’t).

But your argument is that people should be excluded from the definition of woman on the basis that they don’t have XX chromosomes. How exactly would you have been planning to police that before DNA had been discovered?!

There wouldn't have been a need to "police" it. Except in very rare cases where people were capable of convincingly disguising their sex to observers, it would have been perfectly obvious that men were not actually women, like it still is to the majority of the world's population.

Well that’s fine then, because we can include trans women in the women definition (seeing as they aren’t men).

They are though.

How exactly would you have been planning to police that before DNA had been discovered?!

See how effortlessly "policing" women's spaces becomes our responsibility? How about men respect women on a very basic level and stay out of women's spaces? How about treating women as humans with feelings and a right to dignity?

they are men

men men manly men men

otherwise they wouldn’t be transitioning would they

but I expect you know all this really and you’re just on a really long wind up

Let's look at the reality of it. The category "woman" is for biologically female people, either women or girls. The typical biological female pathway, is XX chromosomes. As for our forefathers and mothers, they were perfectly capable of gauging someone's sex without a chromosome test, believe it or not.

Here TW Danielle muscato. Please explain how he is not a man

People who chant the catechism "trans women are women" are effectively saying that any man can declare that he is a woman and they will accept him as a woman. That's fine, but it doesn't work for me and lots of other women.

It doesn't work for any women @Ereshkigalangcleg does it? Even though pretending they don't care (yet).

I can't remember where I read it but apparently women are much better than men at recognising someone's sex, presumably because men have preyed on us since time immemorial and we need to be alert to the danger they present.

I don't think so, no @JoodyBlueToo but I won't speak on behalf of genderists. People have all sorts of beliefs and causes.

I'm so done with this ....wittery. Back and forth we go. I wonder how some people think babies are made, as someone said above. @ElleWoods15 maybe if you are 15 you haven't quite grasped it yet. You will in time. I'm sure.