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Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/09/2024 12:12

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13842189/Edinburgh-Crisis-Centre-designed-protect-women-suffered-sexual-violence-condemned-failing-damning-report.html

Pretty scathing. Wadhwa cannot stay surely?

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Snowypeaks · 12/09/2024 15:21

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 12/09/2024 15:11

It very much reads as if "women" means physical sex but the language has been so mangled that no-one knows for sure and certain.

I expect it will be very helpful to Sarah's case. I'm even a bit surprised after Roz Adams that Sussex haven't rolled over and tried to settle yet and that Sarah's case still has to go ahead. In my eyes it's not looking at all good for Sussex. But then I have no legal background.

I keep planting my carrots for her, a few seeds at a time. Sarah's was my first garden and I'll keep going til the harvest.

You'd think they would, but it's a theme now that the captured organisation keeps the legal action going until the last second before they have to enter a courtroom...and then concede on grounds they could have admitted months or years before.

Plasmodesmata · 12/09/2024 15:33

I also read this and thought of Sarah. I hope it can help her.

TorghunKhan · 12/09/2024 15:42

TorghunKhan · 12/09/2024 14:17

please, please post this to the talk pages of the ERCC wiki page and Mriduls wiki talk page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Edinburgh_Rape_Crisis_Centre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mridul_Wadhwa

I cant post it there (VPN access), and they ignore any DM articles, strangely they accept the BBC

these pages are being protected by TRAs, the first thing that comes up when you google his name is this page, where he is a victim - apparently.

PurpleSparkledPixie · 12/09/2024 16:09

There's not much point in changing it (wiki) as it will get changed back again within five minutes. Either get yourself a new VPN or let it go.

Thank you everyone else for breaking down that report ❤

BoreOfWhabylon · 12/09/2024 16:22

Does the report make any mention of MW's lack of appropriate professional qualifications?

LoobiJee · 12/09/2024 16:33

guinnessguzzler · 12/09/2024 14:33

Based on that report I'd say MW will be out the door pretty sharp now. But the Trustees really do bear a lot of responsibility. It sounds like regardless of the trans debate, MW is not a good or competent leader or manager and definitely not charity CEO material. That should have been obvious before they employed MW (it was obvious to me) and certainly became obvious over time but what did they do about it? Spoiler alert: big egos make bad bosses.

But the Trustees really do bear a lot of responsibility”

“but what did they do about it?”

They voted with their feet and resigned from their trustee roles.

Trustee roles are voluntary positions which carry serious responsibilities.

If they’ve discovered they’ve volunteered with an organisation which is not only dysfunctional, but irredeemably so, I can’t say I blame them for getting the heck out.

Chariothorses · 12/09/2024 16:33

I understand the anger re Mridul. But trans activist staff- board members/ staff- all over the country are deliberately ending female only support. And no one is addressing it- not the government, not councils, nor NHS, not Police Commissioners- these funders are just ignoring it.

So we have Sarah Surviving having to go to court in Brighton for a SINGLE female only rape support group, and in Bristol the provider SARSAS has no female only rape support either.
childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/04/13/the-trans-lobby-has-destroyed-provision-for-female-abuse-victims-in-bristol-and-elsewhere-and-will-do-the-same-for-the-victims-bill/

The depth of contempt and cruelty to women/ girls who won't lie that men are women, and need single sex support groups, is terrifying.This covers all types of abuse support for female survivors of male violence in Bristol, and most of Avon and Somerset too- it is surely a nationwide issue.The government / MoJ need to step in and REQUIRE female only options.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/09/2024 16:35

It’s great to see all MW and ERCC multiple and manifold failings laid out in a report

however I am beyond tired of yet another example of FWR & women generally shouting about something for years, being abused roundly for saying it - only to be proved right all along but only after the lives of traumatised women who needed help & support were disrupted and made significantly worse - all to pander to another fucking man with issues

GailBlancheViola · 12/09/2024 16:36

The government / MoJ need to step in and REQUIRE female only options.

The Government must demand them and make it illegal not to provide and uphold them, that is the only way these people will listen and comply.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/09/2024 16:36

Chariothorses · 12/09/2024 16:33

I understand the anger re Mridul. But trans activist staff- board members/ staff- all over the country are deliberately ending female only support. And no one is addressing it- not the government, not councils, nor NHS, not Police Commissioners- these funders are just ignoring it.

So we have Sarah Surviving having to go to court in Brighton for a SINGLE female only rape support group, and in Bristol the provider SARSAS has no female only rape support either.
childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/04/13/the-trans-lobby-has-destroyed-provision-for-female-abuse-victims-in-bristol-and-elsewhere-and-will-do-the-same-for-the-victims-bill/

The depth of contempt and cruelty to women/ girls who won't lie that men are women, and need single sex support groups, is terrifying.This covers all types of abuse support for female survivors of male violence in Bristol, and most of Avon and Somerset too- it is surely a nationwide issue.The government / MoJ need to step in and REQUIRE female only options.

Agreed.

I have today emailed all my MSPs and my MP to ask them to step up and protect women for a change.

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GailBlancheViola · 12/09/2024 16:37

A range of services can be provided but single sex female only should be mandatory and that is female only and absolutely no males with or without a shiny piece of paper.

maltravers · 12/09/2024 16:42

Maybe we should ask Annalise “it does depend on the context” Dodds what version of “woman only” this service should be, since apparently no clarification is necessary.

IwantToRetire · 12/09/2024 16:47

Have only skim read report and statement from RCS.

But for any one saying this will help Sarah - sorry no.

The standards referred to are for those services that affiliate to either RCS or RCEW.

Survivors Network have never been part of that.

So we are back to the issue of funding authorities, whether local councils or trusts who presume to know better than those carrying out the work.

Now if we could get funders to adhere to the standards of the profession and enforced it on those they funded that would make a huge difference.

(This is equally true of women's refugees where local authority officers ie not even councillors, can put in a report and say women only is too expensive women escaping violence can make do with the local hostel for homeless people.)

But having maybe made it sound like I think there is sound professional practice in the (Scottish) federation, it is clear there isn't. Even without direct knowledge how can RCS pretend they hadn't been made aware via Scottish media who MW was.

Just to add, as this comes up over and over again, as the recent guidelines from the EHRC said it is "legal" to advertise a women only post as being trans inclusive(!!) but also "legal" to advertise a women only post as being only for biological women.

But the biggest part of this is that service users are always put first and are not manipulated (I like the man part of that word) into having to accept someone they dont want to talk to.

And that in advertising service provision it is explicit to any woman making contact what the service support options are.

Apart from the horrendous impact all of this has on women survivors what is really, really sad and depressing in knowing that fiminst beliefs let alone the politics of Women's Liberation that create the concept of Rape Crisis and Domestic Violence women only support had little or no impact on society today. And it is the loss of it / us having this impact that has allowed what the charity sector calls mission drift to happen. Women's importance being erased as usual.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2024 16:48

https://forwomen.scot/12/09/2024/statement-on-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre/

Statement from ForWomen Scotland

'We are saddened – if unsurprised – that Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre has been found wanting in so many respects. The Review Report lays bare the failings which have impacted the most vulnerable women. While Edinburgh RCC, undoubtedly, adopted a particularly extreme and egregious version of gender identity ideology and relentless pursued anyone who dared to question their policy of self-ID, similar issues are apparent in other centres in Scotland and in Rape Crisis Scotland itself.

Sandy Brindley has been repeatedly warned by women in the Rape Crisis Network, by survivors, and by women’s rights organisations that self-ID policies were reckless and cruel. Nevertheless, she insisted – including to a group of survivors – that men were women if they claimed a female identity, she vigorously defended Mridul Wadhwa who conducted the heresy hunt in ERCC, and she presided over the introduction of policies which included trans-identified men in women only services. In several Parliamentary appearances, she claimed that these policies did not create any problems in running rape crisis services. That has now been exposed for the lie it always was.

We believe that the problems are endemic and structural, and they cannot be resolved simply by rearranging the deckchairs at ERCC. As a matter of priority, Mridul Wadhwa must be removed from post, but those board members who presided over his tenure and defended him at Roz Adams’ tribunal must also go. We also believe that Sandy Brindley’s position is also now untenable. Fortunately, women in the Lothians have an alternative women-only service and we believe that Rape Crisis Scotland should, as a matter of urgency, confirm that Beira’s Place will be able to take on referrals. Beira’s Place should also be involved in restructuring both the local and national services. Only these measures will restore trust in this critical service. Too many women were betrayed and harmed – this must never happen again.'

FWS Statement on Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre - For Women Scotland

We are saddened - if unsurprised - that Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre has been found wanting in so many respects. The Review Report lays bare the failings which have impacted the most vulnerable women.

https://forwomen.scot/12/09/2024/statement-on-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2024 16:49

Plasmodesmata · 12/09/2024 15:39

Just noticed a quote at the end of the BBC news article from Kaukab Stewart.

"Equalities minister Kaukab Stewart said it was unacceptable that rape survivors had been let down"

This Kaukab Stewart?
https://news.sky.com/story/scottish-politicians-and-jk-rowling-voice-anger-over-decapitate-terfs-sign-at-pro-trans-rally-in-glasgow-12793544

are there some ferrets that are going to need reversing?

That photo will and should follow her for the rest of her political career.

I'm hoping that the political career of every SNP MSP is going to be rather short.

IwantToRetire · 12/09/2024 16:53

In response to the OP question, no I dont think MW will have to go.

Employment law etc., may get in the way.

What should happen is that the funders, and which ever bit of Scottish government has responsibility, or the Scottish Charity commission should step in and take over the running of ERC with properly qualified rape crisis support professionals.

I expect that in time MW will graciously accept a large payout and go on to become a national martyr.

(If okay with OP will start a thread with the Report title in it to attract attention to that as it is so important not just about ERC, but direct those wanting to comment to this thread. ??)

Silkinside · 12/09/2024 16:56

BoreOfWhabylon · 12/09/2024 16:22

Does the report make any mention of MW's lack of appropriate professional qualifications?

Or lack of appropriate Sex.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/09/2024 17:29

IwantToRetire · 12/09/2024 16:53

In response to the OP question, no I dont think MW will have to go.

Employment law etc., may get in the way.

What should happen is that the funders, and which ever bit of Scottish government has responsibility, or the Scottish Charity commission should step in and take over the running of ERC with properly qualified rape crisis support professionals.

I expect that in time MW will graciously accept a large payout and go on to become a national martyr.

(If okay with OP will start a thread with the Report title in it to attract attention to that as it is so important not just about ERC, but direct those wanting to comment to this thread. ??)

CEOs operate under different contracts to the plebs. There will be a clause that will allow instant dismissal for whatever reason. That will involve a large settlement agreement though...

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/09/2024 17:29

IwantToRetire · 12/09/2024 16:53

In response to the OP question, no I dont think MW will have to go.

Employment law etc., may get in the way.

What should happen is that the funders, and which ever bit of Scottish government has responsibility, or the Scottish Charity commission should step in and take over the running of ERC with properly qualified rape crisis support professionals.

I expect that in time MW will graciously accept a large payout and go on to become a national martyr.

(If okay with OP will start a thread with the Report title in it to attract attention to that as it is so important not just about ERC, but direct those wanting to comment to this thread. ??)

Feel free to start another thread.

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IwantToRetire · 12/09/2024 18:02

@GargoylesofBeelzebub - wont start another thread, for some reason to do with how your thread displayed on my screen the ERCC report bit didn't display(?!).

But I think anyone on FWR once they see ERCC and report will immediately know rather than what I saw as maybe being a general how did this ever happen thread.

And its good that the MSM are picking up on this.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 12/09/2024 18:23

The wiki page is locked to 'prevent vandalism'prevent anyone correcting it with the truth.

Madcats · 12/09/2024 18:28

It's just made the 6 o'clock news on R4, so hopefully they'll be organising some interviews for tomorrow morning. It's Justin on tomorrow.

spannasaurus · 12/09/2024 18:40

Also reported on BBC1 6 o'clock news