"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

[crimplepop]

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

You said:

A voter has a duty to consider all the impacted people of their vote.

Then you said:

but don't make like your most important issue is bigger than mine or anyone else's.

You want people to consider the impacts on their vote on other people, but they can’t decide their issues are bigger after that consideration?

Why rightly?

Why are you allowed your opinion and she isn't?

It makes no sense, does it? Don’t castigate parents of kids destroyed by gender, but DO castigate someone who supports parents of kids destroyed by gender.

How strange. The language is unlike her for a start. I had to go and look up what the tweet referred to and its an unusual event for a UK based women's rights campaigner to see as a "pivotal moment".

Odd.

How exactly is KJK "supporting parents of children destroyed by gender"? I don't think she is at all.

delphinium is making some interesting and reasoned points, she isn't "castigating" anyone.

💐 I'm sorry for your loss

oh give over @Delphinium20 and most other posters have repeatedly listed reasons why voting Democrats is better for women and children. it is KJK and yourselves that are single issue, insisting that gender is the only issue worth voting on

the thing with KJK though is it has become more and more apparent over time that she isn't single issue at all. she used to say that when she was 'politically homeless' because she used to be a Labour voter. She has found her political home now. but you just can't vote for Trump and claim to be voting in the best interests of women and children. you may believe that of yourself but it doesn't make it true. the only way to maintain that illusion is to try to convince people the most important issue for women and children, the only one worth voting over, is gender. but you have to be a fool to believe that, because exponentially more women and children are going to be harmed/killed by all the other issues and policies

@CassieMaddox

How strange. The language is unlike her for a start. I had to go and look up what the tweet referred to and its an unusual event for a UK based women's rights campaigner to see as a "pivotal moment".

Odd.

It is odd. The only thing I can think of is Nick Sandmann's libel case against a number of media outlets was thrown out about few weeks ago, but at the same time he also settled out of court with a few, including CNN. So it may be on Conservatives' radar.

it is KJK and yourselves that are single issue, insisting that gender is the only issue worth voting on

Where have I said I am a single issue voter? I haven’t. What I have said is that I don’t believe people who are single issue voters on things like the harm gender does to children are worth the scorn and castigation they get just because it might mean voting for someone who clashes with other people’s ideas of important voting issues.

Why do you think people deserve such scorn? Just because they think the reasons proffered that a vote for Harris is a better choice don’t stack up to them?

Why does there need to be thread after thread attacking people who think this way?

@lemonpepperlady

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc....

No. Hitłer used to different definition of ʼsocialismʼ than the genersl nomencłature we would apply today.

In a 1932 interview, Hitler described his understanding and application of socialism:

Why’, I asked Hitler, ‘do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party program is the very anthesis of that commonly accredited to Socialism?’
‘Socialism’, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, ‘is the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.
‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…
https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-nazi-form-of-socialism-1932/

This system was rooted in race and patriotism, and did not refer to means of production or property as pillars.

@NotBadConsidering

Why do you think people deserve such scorn? Just because they think the reasons proffered that a vote for Harris is a better choice don’t stack up to them?

Why does there need to be thread after thread attacking people who think this way?

Where has any Trump voter been attacked? Or scorned?

Where has any Trump voter been attacked? Or scorned?

🤣🤣

do you think a vote for Trump is better for women and children's live Vs a trump for KH? and if so, why?

Are you going to answer my questions first?

Your questions are quite assumption laden and hyperbolic so it's probably difficult to answer. E.g. "Why do you think people deserve such scorn?" Assumes 1) everyone agrees there is scorn (they don't) 2) assumes cantreally thinks people deserve "scorn" 3) hyperbolically extrapolates specific criticism of KJK to "scorn" for "people".

On the other hand cantreally's question is straightforward and specific.

the question of 'scorn' and 'attack'....your answer to my question will give you the reason for scorn probably....it's because Trump is clearly the worse option for women and girls. so voting for him is scornful. scorn is pretty intrinsic in politics. 'attack'...give over

Okay, I'll be clearer - in this thread?

scorn is 'a feeling and expression of contempt or disdain for someone or something'

you don't think the scorn has gone both ways on this thread? the anti-Trump posters on this thread are a minority, so I would estimate there has been more scorn at us compared to from us. but, I don't care tbh. I think it's a whiney tactic to detract from the content of the conversation. We've already had limericks 🤷🏼‍♀️

ok for clarity, because this keeps coming up, when I say 'you' I mean 'one'....if it doesn't apply to you specifically then you don't need to get offended...there are lots of people claiming that 'the harm that gender does' far out ways all the other way that women and girls are harmed, despite gender being a exponentially smaller harm in comparison.

personally I am pretty scornful of that, I suppose. I don't think I have particularly expressed 'scorn' on this thread. and certainly you can't characterise the whole discussion as 'scornful'.. This is EXACTLY the issue we had with TRAs back in day. a total reluctance to discuss the actual issues and a reversion to how 'mean' we are.

as for 'thread after thread', this is the first MN FWR thread I have posted on in about 3 years so I'm not aware of this. a quick sweep of the first FWR page, I can't see any others. but you don't need to take part you know, if you feel 'attacked' and 'scorned' and it's interfering with you mental health or wot-not

I'm not talking about Trump voters in general, but posters on this thread.

and the REASON, I am scornful of that is because I think to maintain that a vote for Trump is the best option for women and girls is either

1. ignorant of the facts which are very available. so you are either not bright (have no issues with this) or willful ignorance

OR

2. a lie. thinking that WE are all ignorant of what is going on

I suspect the gender ideology issue is more important than the abortion issue. If gender ideology is allowed to triumph - and it shows no sign of going away, merely re-selecting its battlegrounds - then abortion rights will suffer accordingly. If a woman is anyone who identifies as such then it is much easier to a) promote the obscenity of 'rent a womb' (surrogacy) and so self-identified women can become 'mothers' and b) easier to legislate against abortion in any form as this lowers the number of adoptable babies which self-identified 'women' can use to validate their womanhood.

so you believe that KH will also remove abortion rights to make sure that the TIMs have a good supply of babies for adoption?

I can see your point. My point is this: there will be women, in America, who will vote for Trump, or not vote for Harris, purely on the basis of gender ideology. Telling them they are ignorant, or acting as if those in opposition to their view are ignorant (ie you) is not likely to change their minds. These will be women who have been directly harmed by gender ideology, or know someone who has. I imagine that for those who might consider this, it’s a tough, conflicting decision for them that they don’t take lightly and I personally do not thing anyone who decides that deserves any negativity at all. To me it just serves to highlight how damaging gender ideology is that it puts women in a tough situation. It’s not like it’s deciding on better school funding or more tax in your back pocket. It has been described as “holding your nose” voting (whichever way you go) but it’s so much more serious than that.

It’s easy to be scornful of any Trump voter for any reason, but that, and what essentially amounted to contempt for voters in the end, is how he ended up as president the first time round. But this entire thread, and all the others like it in the last few months, only exist to paint people (women) who might agree with people like KJK, Trump etc on the issue of gender ideology as bad people. You say:

This is EXACTLY the issue we had with TRAs back in day. a total reluctance to discuss the actual issues and a reversion to how 'mean' we are

And I think you’re right, but about the wrong thing. What people refuse to engage with is the purity spiral prompted by this type of thread (by an OP who has still seemingly not reappeared). This isn’t a thread about Trump vs Harris and who is best for women, it’s a thread about how people who oppose gender ideology like KJK ➡️ Trump supporters ➡️ support a rapist ➡️ ergo people who oppose gender ideology are bad people, and anyone who agrees with KJK clearly follows the same path. It’s one of many, many threads of the same ilk.

If a genuine thread was started by a genuine OP on who is best for women’s rights in the upcoming US election, it is likely it will get much better genuine engagement. Maybe someone should try that without bringing in someone who is vocal on Twitter (who people can agree with about some things and not others) as a marker of who is best out of the two presidential nominees.