"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

[crimplepop]

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

It's not really just what KJK said about Trump though. It's the making it a 'GC women as a whole' problem, like they have to bear some responsibility as a collective. Which they don't.

This.

desperate for what?? like, what are you talking about? just engage in conversation or don't 🤷🏼‍♀️

Recently she's also been claiming to be the voice of the working class too. Which is 1) patronising as if they can't speak for herself and 2) ironic given she doesn't work as such and is supported by her husband, also not working class.

It's straight up Farage "man of the people" shtick

I'm not enraged by her.
I'm fascinated by how people react to her. Really. It's fascinating.

Just say Julie Bindel tweeted that Trump was the only hope for the world. Or JKR. Posters on here I think would be "wtf??" And discussing it. I doubt anyone would post on a JKR thread that "JKR lives rent free in your head". Or a Mridhul Wadwha thread.

It's only KJK that sparks these responses. It is really curious.

I'm also interested because I'm a politics geek and interested in the way social media influences politics and culture. KJK has been very influential so I follow what she does.

Like the point about her husband is fascinating. She sells herself as "dare to be honest" and telling people who vote Labour or Democrat they are groomer or support child mutilation. She does that all day on twitter. She posts about being "over the rainbow" and encourages others to deface the pride progress flag and other LGBTQIA displays in shops, libraries etc.

Meanwhile her family live on the income from her husbands business which celebrates LGBTQIA.

It is hypocrisy and not "dare to be honest" at all.

interesting it is mostly her MC followers who claim she is the voice of the WC. I am WC and she doesn't speak for me at all

yes, this is what I am stuck on now! I had no idea about her husband's business being captured by LGBTQ. So it's ok for her in a personal capacity to accommodate LGBTQ appeasement, presumably to keep her family housed and fed etc. but other people are evil/stupid/cowards/don't care about women if they vote for socialist politicians, putting TQ secondary to vote to try and house/feed/clothe there own families

If Julie Bindel or JKR posted that, I’d think ‘what have they been smoking’ and go about my day. I’d still agree with them on pretty much everything else they post about.

If other posters started thread after thread about Julie Bindel and/or JKR, wanting to discuss this over and over again, and implying that someone like me somehow has a part to play in this/makes me right wing by default/has a duty to comment and denounce them, etc etc because I agree with their other stuff, yes, I’d think they live rent free in those heads. Not sure what Mridhul Wadhwa has anything to do with it.

Discuss them thinking Trump is the saviour of all saviours all you like, just don’t put the onus on GC women to comment/denounce/bear responsibility JUST because they share views on other things.

I would argue it does impact feminism as a whole because one of the biggest barriers has been to convince the public this isn't a right wing issue...that mothers and feminists and many other people who've been impacted by gender idiocy have been silenced and harassed and pushed out of the public conversation. When one of the bigger UK voices argues that to win against gender lunacy US voters should pick Trump (or arm themselves or whatever nonsense she says about America like her argument that fighting gender identity is more important than the abortion issue), it suggests it IS a right wing issue. KJK's solution is right wing politics.

So it's ok for her in a personal capacity to accommodate LGBTQ appeasement, presumably to keep her family housed and fed etc.

Really big house with the mortgage paid off as she loves to tell everyone.

I’ve yet to see one GC person agree with her on that. Certainly on this thread it’s been ‘don’t agree with her on that, still agree with on the other stuff’. I’m sure she does have supporters and she may be high profile but people need to remember she’s one person. Just because she’s coming out with the barmy stuff doesn’t make those who don’t believe in gender woo woo ‘right wing’, or that it’s a right wing issue.

I agree she’s not helping but to be honest TRA’s will cling onto anything. When ‘transphobia’ lost its meaning it’s now ‘right wing’ and ‘far right’. Doesn’t mean it is.

I do get where you are coming from though.

the issue is that in the beginning GC women were all accused of being GC because they were right wing racists. which was a suprise to us all because we were pretty much all left wing socialist, older activist women. it has been a big fight to refute that and get gender critique to be treated as legitimate concern. then along come a bunch of GC women who DO have right wing beliefs and we are back to square 1. if you are wanting to deny T housing and employment rights and supporting marches against immigrants, then the criticism of Transgenderism is easier to undermine isn't it. it's a shit show tbh

Yes I understand too but in so far as the single issue that she stands for is concerned the democrats are not going to fit the bill (should she be able to cast a vote anyway).

I just think there is so much energy wasted at trying to castigate KJK and to smear all GC women as right wing which would be better spent focused on trying to work out why the left /Harris won’t budge on this issue. It was the same on threads about single issue voters here in the run up to the elections here.

i just can’t think that those who prefer to smear women like KJK as right wing are really that bothered about the harms of genderism. If they were then energies would be much better focused elsewhere.

I x posted with @Delphinium20 , who explained it much better

one of the biggest barriers has been to convince the public this isn't a right wing issue

This left wing / right wing dichotomy can't end too soon. In any case, plenty of people don't consider themselves to be left wing, which you appear to be making synonymous with "the public".

One of the things I like about KJK is she doesn't give a single fuck what people think of her.

Just because she’s coming out with the barmy stuff doesn’t make those who don’t believe in gender woo woo ‘right wing’, or that it’s a right wing issue

this

although i also understand what delphinium is saying, i don’t know anyone out of here has any idea of the existence of KJK, unlike JKR who even my dad recognises as involved in womens rights

I don't disagree that we are wasting good energy to suss KJK out. I'm an American and my main activism goal is to focus on writing to Democrats who aren't actively waving the trans flag, especially if they are in slightly less progressive areas. I push them on sports within Title IX. I have joined the Dems against Gender Ideology group and actively and financially support Kara Dansky.

This gives me hope that our quiet behind the scenes work is making a dent www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/dnc-2024-missed-trans-rights-implications-election-rcna167990

No. I'm really not trying to do that. I do feel that most feminists tend to be left wing. However, there are a lot of people - the vast majority of the public - who don't consider themselves on the left, but also have fears of right wing, fears of authoritarianism. Some just don't care much about politics. If an issue is smeared as right wing, it can turn off many of those people, especially if you're not really invested or informed about GC issues.

Tbf I only know about her through mn threads.

Well said 👏

She's known in my neck of the woods from standing for election

So the 'feminist' solution is to stop a woman who doesn't call herself a feminist from having any what, opinions? Voice? An internet account? A bank account?

Crikey.

Exactly. Its the same here. Its been feminists working tirelessly largely behind the scenes that have made the difference. The journalists who wrote the stories even when their jobs were under threat. The women who sued employers for shutting them up, etc etc. Not the people shouting about groomers and mutilation on twitter.

Unfortunately now loads of those women have been thrown under the bus by other women for being "socfems", "gentry left", "white feminists" etc etc.