"Men's clothes"

[FannyCann]

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I'm just shocked how many posters are referring to the image on the left as "men's clothes".
It's how I dress most of the time. These are clothes that surely most women will have in their wardrobe at least for casual wear, maybe a more fashionable/tidier version but similar.
They are everyday clothes, commonly worn, by both sexes so I suppose if one had to assign a sex to the clothes it would be gender neutral (which isn't a sex obviously, I know, don't bother correcting me).

FFS are we truly going back in time - to when? The 1950's? The 1850's?

Forget the bloke in a skirt - I don't care, but the implication that everyday casual wear is "men's" has made me fume.

Rant over.

I took that image to be 'longhaired woman wears clothes' vs 'shorthaired woman wears clothes while standing on one leg, Sunday supplement style'.

I scrolled through a bit, only saw one poster reference then left being Mens Clothes.

Something about Mens Clothes being practical.

most other comments are like "Men can wear dresses, who cares, doesn't make him a woman though"

Replies such as:

"Men's clothing is often seen as unisex, a women's dress is not."
"Because men’s casual clothing literally takes no effort,"
"Those on the left were considered the “tomboys”"
"the woman on the left is dressing like a man to avoid."

all imply the perception of those clothes being male.

The bit TRAs like to leave out is that in the main, women want to wear trousers etc because it is warmer and more practical for being active (periods/ going to the loo aside where it can be easier to just lift a skirt up) and often less sexualised, whereas as men wearing women’s clothes almost always is sexualised and/or tries to copy stereotypes of femininity.

The pictures demonstrate that perfectly.

The one on the left is how I always dress - more practical, warmer, comfortable. I’m retired and mostly at home with a dog so no need to dress up. If I’m going out it’s usually trousers and a nice top. The last time my legs got out was for a wedding several years ago.
I thought we’d got rid of all this sexist stereotyping 30 years ago.

Well personally, spangly sparkles are a bit attention seeking for daywear in my life but I'm used to wearing a lab coat so it would be invisible till break-time.

I rarely wear my tiara and diamonds to work.

As long as the bloke in a dress isn't going for women's awards, participating in women's sports, going into women's bathrooms... and basically making a parody of women

I’m pretty sure I’ve worn a tiara at work (plastic, skint) but I work in a primary school and I am an attention seeker.

Sequins can be a bugger to wash too. My advice is to always check care labels when buying clothes, especially if your mum still does your washing.

TBF if you need to command attention of small children, crown jewels have a certain authority.

The queen said that the real thing is so heavy you can't look down or your neck would break. Very impractical when having to look down at peasants small children.

I'm offended by men wearing skirts and dresses as these are women's clothes. I know that because as a woman I have been forced to wear them at certain times.

Not a problem for me, I’m not even 5 foot tall

You're exactly right - the one on the right is using the stupid pigeon-toed stance beloved (as a PP said) of the colour supplements, but that no woman employs in real life.

Exactly. What drives the choice of clothing?

Mens clothes have proper pockets.

This comparison is never going to work because there's no such thing as "mens clothes". Women have co-opted them all.

Jeans, hoodies, trainers etc, all started out as mens clothes, but taken on by women because they're functional, which is entirely sensible. I read something a while back that even high heels can trace their roots back to a mens riding shoe!

It doesn't go the other way though because of toxic masculinity. I can see the appeal of a nice floaty skirt in hot weather, but I'm never going to wear one because I'd get the absolute piss ripped out of me!

I don't know any women that would wear the outfit on the right. Knee high white socks FFS. That's what offends me.

It's not a woman's outfit, it's a girl's outfit.

As in, a child's outfit. A juvenile female human.

I don't give a damn if a man wears a dress because he wants to feel the breeze around his knees. But it waves massive great red flags at me if a man wears a dress because he wants to look like a little girl.

I'm a wee bit short myself but apparently long legged because regular length trousers are fine but frocks are too long. Maybe they're unisex now.

The clothes on the left used to be men’s clothes. But that was a really long time ago. I think women in the uk have been routinely wearing trousers since the Second World War. It was a bit daring before that, but very normal after.

The only reason men want to wear ‘women’s clothes’ is to be daring/attention seeking/boundary crossing. There can be no other motivation. If a man wants to wear a skirt he can wear sarongs, kilts etc. if he wants to wear heels there are heeled boots- cowboy boots and more. This isn’t about style and comfort.

Women choose trousers and hoodies for good practical reasons. There’s no practical reason for men to wear women’s clothes.

Are men in kilts in "womans clothes"?

Clothing is irrelevant... as long as its suitable for the occasion where what you want (I e don't wear a bikini to the office, or muddy work clothes to a posh wedding g reception, or underwear to a school...)

..and if you look closely, the little girl wearing the sparkly dress and white knee-socks has chest hair and a stubbly chin...

As pp have said on this thread and others, wear what you like but it won't change your sex. Being a woman is not a costume or an idea in someone's head, it's a biological reality. A repressive one in far too many places and that's what makes woman face offensive.

When Eddie izzard was a man who liked dressing up I followed his humour, now he's decided it changes his reality enough to entitle him to use

womens's spaces I think he's lost the plot.

Exactly, @MarieDeGournay.