"Men's clothes"

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I'm just shocked how many posters are referring to the image on the left as "men's clothes".
It's how I dress most of the time. These are clothes that surely most women will have in their wardrobe at least for casual wear, maybe a more fashionable/tidier version but similar.
They are everyday clothes, commonly worn, by both sexes so I suppose if one had to assign a sex to the clothes it would be gender neutral (which isn't a sex obviously, I know, don't bother correcting me).

FFS are we truly going back in time - to when? The 1950's? The 1850's?

Forget the bloke in a skirt - I don't care, but the implication that everyday casual wear is "men's" has made me fume.

Rant over.

I have the stereotypical women's measurements, bust and hip are the same, waist is 10 inches less. Only problem is my waist size now is what my hip size was 30 years ago. 😂

I can wear men's clothes in stretch fabrics but I take into account that they are not generally designed to take into account a 10 inch difference between waist and hip.

The only garment that’s still largely exclusively worn only by men now is the tie. And that’s becoming less common. I think that says something about practicality and fashion- that really all the categories of clothing that exist for aesthetic rather than practical reasons are feminine, and all the categories that are primarily practical were originally masculine and are now unisex.

I wonder when that started because there are many times historically when mens' clothes were very much more luxurious and impractical, though that was confined to particular social classes.

The arts and crafts credo was for things to be beautiful or useful (preferably both).

I wear ties! I dont know any men who do, I don’t think.

There’s a woman I follow on insta who regularly sports men’s suits- some vintage- she looks amazing but I’m 4’11” there’s no hope of me fitting any of the men’s suits I see in charity shops. Even boy waistcoats don’t look right. And I don’t even have waist/hips/boobs!

The only garment that’s still largely exclusively worn only by men now is the tie
Posing pouch? 😂

sporran😁

It just occurs to me that it might be a tad uncomfortable to run with a sporran.

A sporran’s just a merkin with a glow up.

😁I just googled running with a sporran and etsy do a t-shirt that says 'never run with a heavy sporran.'

I think there might be questions if merkins were used for storage like sporrans.

I (female) had to wear a tie as part of my school uniform. All the secondary schools I've checked in my city mandate ties as a uniform item.

In the 80s I wore ties because they were a fashion item.

You move the sporran onto your side / hip when you are dancing or running .

top tip. because dancing around a pile of sporrans would look silly 😁

The codpiece? That’s an interesting one- obviously hyper-masculine- but not in line with modern western ideas of straight masculinity, precisely because it’s such a peacock display.

I wouldn't be surprised if more school girls wore ties than adult men. The tie is a weird garment in the 21st century. Written more by children than by adults, yet seen as the epitome of smart dressing for men.

so maybe the ..er..pendulum is swinging back to peacockery.

That's how fashion works isn't it? Try to find something that's new (or hasn't been seen in youthful memory) and market it like buggery. (which does actually seem to marketed to the latest generation online🤔)

But they’re unlikely to be ‘men’s clothes’ if the wearer is a woman because they wouldn’t fit. We’re different shapes. They mean practical clothes worn by both sexes.

This really depends. I have a lot of clothes that were marketed for men.

I wear only men's (or 'unisex') tshirts, which fit me much better than 'women's.). Ones 'for women' are typically tight across the shoulders, too tight on the armpits and too short overall. This is all before design choices that don't work for me either like cap sleeves, elastane and scoop necks rather than crew being much more prevalent in women's tshirts.

I also wear only men's trousers (this is more for pockets and comfort) and men's socks, also wear men's shoes. I'm still a woman.

Where the problem comes in is smarter shirts. The women's are almost always too narrow on the shoulders for me (which is in addition a measurement that hardly any online retailer gives). Men's, if they fit well on the bust, are too tight on the hips, while they bunch up at the waist. This can be altered to fit, but then only for wearing it tucked in. Getting a shirt in a larger size and having it resized has worked for me in the past (this wasn't a formal shirt though), but another was completely screwed up at the alterations place, so it's not all that easy.

My boys do not know how to tie a tie as well as I do, it's not as universally worn now. I also know how to tie a proper bow tie, though I can't practise it on my thigh these days.😫

I don't think the danger to men who are wearing skirts (that are not kilts) and dresses come from women - it comes from a small group of men.

Some men are very territorial about manliness - even certain colours are suspect, as is the wearing of particular jewellery (although earrings are okay)

This is a man problem for men to solve. They need to accept men who like wearing skirts and dresses are part of the male tribe and ensure their safety in their same sex spaces.

Men who like wearing makeup, skirts, dresses, wigs etc can then be safe in their appropriate space and stay out of ours.

I was in the supermarket yesterday and there were quite a lot of men and boys who presumably had recently come from Mosque wearing traditional Islamic dress, which is essentially a full length dress.

They did not seem to have any issues and I'm fairly certain they knew they were men.

I mentioned lab coats upthread and just remembered an observation we had at work.

The womens' labcoats have wrist cuffs (very practical) but no back vent (very inpractical as the front comes undone whenever you crouch down) and optional top pockets ( they're horribly impractical even if you have a small bust).

The mens' labcoats have no wrist cuffs (very impractical) but have a back vent so are easier to move around in.

Howie coats are unisex I think, though they possibly popper from different sides for men and women.

Round here their tops end at the knee and they have trousers underneath, like salwar kameez. In the middle eastern states I've seen men in floor length robes.

I guess the left is "acceptable" mens clothes as its the default casual wear for both male and female. It is quite striking a great many are more pro choice for female clothing eg. its her business, who are we to judge, showing some flesh isn't offensive, judge the woman not her appearance etc. Its like we want stricter rules for men in appearance and wider social codes. I can see why some men pick up on this and rebel against the more limited choices. Short of clear fetish clothing or imitating children, though still probably less revulsion for females.

Its not inconceivable that skirts and dresses could be normalised for men and then it would be clear no man is getting a thrill from wearing them, but a long way off.

I think there's a time and a place for flashing the flesh.
On a windy racecourse or new year's eve in the northern hemisphere I tend to see it as style over practicality. I'll be the woman in the crowd handing out thermal vests and warm cardigans.

I often look at clothes and think, ooh, like that... Oh bugger, it's menswear!

Because most men's clothes don't fit me, but I like the practical designs, the colours and the bloody pockets. For years, as a student, I wore a men's denim jacket. I still have men's jumpers included in my winter stash.

Today, however, I'm wearing a skirt... Not sure what my clothing choices say about my gender identity. Other than that I don't give a shit.

I’m wearing a skirt with pockets right now.

Yeah, I’m showing off.