3 questions for GC women

[ChirpyFinch]

As the title says, three questions for the women in this chat.

1. Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not?

2. Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

3. How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

Unless they're on the telly/radio at the time.

Guilty as charged on that!

Defined as being critical of the belief that someone can change their sex and/or gender.

So these are two completely different things which are referred to in the same contact sex and/or gender. Sex is biology, it cannot be changed no matter how much hormone treatment is taken. Hormone 'therapy' is just a way to provide a smokescreen behind what someone is fundamentally is.

Gender is more fluid and down to society's perceptions of how each sex should behave or are entitled to. The female sex is seen as weaker, more care giving (due to their biology) and male sex is stronger, more confident and dominant (due to their biology). Society pushes these expectations on the two sexes (see the )

But it gets confused. When it is said a gay man behaves effeminately - tell me the last time you saw someone of the female sex behave like that. What trans people do is behave how they think the other sex (should) behave & look based on these gender expectations. See Dylan Mulvaney for example. He has attempted a female appearance but the behaviour and mannerisms are quite male. Gender critical people push against these societal beliefs.

I think that if you are a woman and you want an operation to make your boobs bigger or smaller it's considered cosmetic and you won't get it on the nhs

I think that if you are a man and you want an operation to make your moobs bigger or smaller it's considered cosmetic and you won't get it on the nhs

It seems to be if you identify as a different gender it's, for some random reason, not considered cosmetic

Makes no sense

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I don't swear at people in RL because I am a coward they're bigger than me, and I hardly ever swear at anyone online because I am so placid and sweet tempered, BUT in my car, driving round town, I often feel the need to keep up a muttered commentary on the driving habits of my fellow motorists, and on occasions strong language is used. 'Fuck' more frequently as the intensifier in 'fuckwit' than on its own, as a change from 'is it Drive Like A Gobshite Day again? '

Apols for any ambiguity.

Let me be crystal clear: I believe that people who think they can become the opposite sex by removing or adding body parts, or by policing language, or by changing their name, or by pandering to gender tropes are mentally unwell.

I think the same thing about people with anorexia & bulimia, but I don’t see anyone telling them to live their beautiful truth -except fellow sufferers.

It’s the emperors new clothes folks.

I swear FAR, FAR more in RL than I do here, mainly because I can’t be arsed to type all those extra words.

In a past life I was a sailor.

I swear far more IRL and on line since I fell down this rabbit hole. I was actually quite sweet and charming, a people pleaser and far too afraid of offending people. This days I couldn’t give a shit or a flying fuck.

My faith in medical or educational professionals in now non existent; and I no longer give in to the need to maintain friendships with people who don’t really care about issues unless they affect them personally and drop you like a slippery fish if they are too inconvenient (or controversial) to support you. I don’t care if swearing offends them any more.

I'm sorry to hear about the loss of faith, Cautious Lurker. There are still good and sensible people out there. I promise.

Bit late so apologies if this has been answered but the fetish name for BIID was (is?) Apotemnophilia

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Fair enough.

Would Always even make that ad now? Without receiving scolding for not being inclusive?

But I fear, few and far between......

Oh. Gosh. Is there no end to the curious directions men's sexualities take them?

Gender isn't real.

Sex is. Humans cannot change sex.

Gender is a mish- mash of stereotypes that change depending on time frame and location. What's masculine in one country is viewed as feminine elsewhere. These stereotypes influence everything, clothes, language, body language, emotions.

I am critical of stereotypes associated with gender. There is no one way to be male and no one way to be female.

Clothes have no gender. Some clothes are based on sex (ie bras) but if a man has moobs and finds support in a bra so what? Him wearing a bra does not mean he's a woman. Just like me wearing boxers or trousers mean I'm a man.

Men can be nurturing (emotion normally associated with women). Women can be aggressive (vice versa). BUT these are stereotypes!!!

Right wing or conservatives also believe that sex is real and that humans cannot change sex BUT they like gender stereotypes. Women must be feminine, caring etc. They aren't gender critical as I understand it.

As for numbers of trans people - well one trans person surmised that there are as genders are there are people on the world (I truly think they are mixing up personality and gender!)

Honestly I do believe there are some people who experience dysphoria but those numbers are not as high as we might think.

Maybe 1 or 2 people in a million really, truly wants to alter everything about their body and even then they should start with therapy to work out if the changes they want to make are right for them.

You aren't demanding that anybody else should believe in God and calling them bigots if they don't.
That signifies to me that your belief is heartfelt rather than performative. I do think that with both religious people and TRA who aggressively demand others must believe what they do, it's because their own belief is not heartfelt. Therefore they need others to validate their belief.

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Just feeling a little jaded this week. It will pass and I’ll get back to my glass half full self in a week or two. I don’t tend to stay down for long… 🙏

It looks like OP can't take criticism and reported a post of mine. It was civil and there were no insults. I merely pointed out how illuminating her nervy, insensitive post to CautiousLurker was about her character.
Reporting that is equally illuminating. Perhaps she'll report this as well. Boo hoo. Don't treat people badly if you don't like criticism darling.

I read your post. There was nothing wrong with it

Did @ElleWoods15 ever answer my question about circularity? I've searched the thread and I can't see one.

Would it help if I rephrase Elle? If being a woman is not a question of bodies, and not a question of stereotypes, how does a child learn to associate the word 'woman' with the innate feeling they have? I assume we can agree that innate feelings don't come with labels attached in the English language.

I could offer you a possibility to get out of the circularity. We could agree that female bodies exist. Then TW could be people in male bodies who have a deep-seated feeling that they wish they were in female bodies. (It couldn't actually make them female, because as soon as you define people who wish they were female as actually being female, female again becomes a circular thing with no meaning.) What do you say? Does this version appeal? I have a lot more to say if you can accept this, but won't bother typing it out yet.

Thank you. Reporting posts is often a cowardly way to harass others.
These are people who are authoritarian by nature and want the rest of the world to bend to their demands. The parallel to fanatical gender ideology is obvious.