3 questions for GC women

[ChirpyFinch]

As the title says, three questions for the women in this chat.

1. Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not?

2. Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

3. How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

Two questions in return.

What do you think 'gender critical means? Your second question suggests you may have misunderstood the term.

Why should anyone answer your questions, when you don't say why you're asking or what you think?

Defined as being critical of the belief that someone can change their sex and/or gender.

This is just an exercise in curiosity. I don’t think anyone cares what I think - because I know how forums on the internet work - but I am interested to know what others think.

1. Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not.

No. The majority of people in my opinion, don't know what gender critical means.

1. Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

Because the right wing tend to be socially conservative. Conservatives tend to be traditional and that means traditional roles, they don't tend to believe in feminism. They are also more likely to be religious and therefore anti abortion and homophobic.

How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?
No idea.

Follow ups,

Do you think that the majority would be GC if they knew what it meant? Is this just a matter of informing people, or convincing them?

So is a broken clock situation? They aren’t feminists but just happen to be right on this one issue?

I believe that right wing people tend to be more traditional and more religious, therefore homophobic. They also don't believe that you can change sex and are less likely to pander to people's feelings.

I don't believe they have these views because they're feminists.

The majority of people, unfortunately, are not feminist. I doubt they care much about gender stereotypes or social constructs.

Your assumed definition encompasses 2 very different positions - one of which is the conservative one (sex realist, but not gender critical) and the other the gender critical feminist one.

The 2 groups do share the belief that water is wet, fire is hot, and mammals come in 2 unchangeable sexes. They are almost directly opposite in many other respects, particularly on the question of gender.

Interesting perspective, thank you.

So two things: do you think that sex and gender are different? Secondly, are you comparing GC beliefs to the claim water is wet (which is incorrect, water is itself not wet. The things water comes in contact with become wet)?

1. I think the majority of people can tell the difference between an adult male and female and are aware that it is impossible to change sex, which are the main foundational beliefs of gender critical people. Fewer people understand that gender is socially constructed and that gender stereotypes are often harmful, especially to women, which are beliefs more common in gender critical people who are familiar with the GC term and identify with it.

1. The right wing globally largely ignores trans issues altogether and if pressed on the issues would usually lump them in with general homophobia, which is both inaccurate and harmful and illustrates the fact their views and activism stems from lack of education or exposure to progressive culture.

1. I don't know and I would imagine no one does, as being 'trans' isn't something that can be described in a way that fits all.people in all cultures, given that the laws and lifestyles of different cultures varies so much.

It won't let me update the numbers but they're in the right order.

OP, you don’t understand what gender critical means.

I think GC is a feminist position. Conservative position isn't GC as they believe strongly in gendered roles.

I do think that the majority of the population of the world know that sex is immutable.

No idea how many trans people there are.

Follow ups,

1. Similar to above, would you then say that this is a question of informing people or one of advocacy?

2. So would it be correct to say that you think the right doesn’t care about trans people, and therefore stands in direct opposition to GC values considering the stances they take on women’s issues in general?

3. sure fair point. If we were to use a genetic definition like “transgender people believe that they are a different gender to their sex” would you have an estimate?

Ok, what does gender critical mean?

"Defined as being critical of the belief that someone can change their sex and/or gender."

That's not what gender critical means.

Pretty much everyone knows it's not possible to change sex.

The problem is gender as in stereotypical female or male roles.

The right wing Christian types think clothing and behaviour (gender) is dictated by your sex.

The trans lobby also need these same gender roles but think you can choose the gender of the opposite sex and effectively become the opposite sex by doing so.

People who are gender critical think gender is restrictive nonsense. Your sex doesn't define your behaviour and doing the stereotypical behaviour of the opposite sex doesn't change your sex.

Hence if you're gender critical the idea of trans is meaningless.

Follow ups,

Can you elaborate on what you mean about a feminist position? Is there a specific thing that GCs believe that feminists agree with, but they differ in other respects, or are they synonymous?

If you were to give a ballpark estimate, would you be able to?

We can’t even begin on Q3. How many people have a mental illness? Literally pluck a number out of thin air.

Right, so is the GC position that gender itself as a categorisation tool is meaningless? Or that it has meaning but that meaning is inherently tied to your sex?

Most of the world is gender critical. Try using preferred pronouns in different languages and see how unintelligent you'll come across and the confusion you'll cause. They wouldn't understand the concept of transgenderism.
Most of the world is pretty conservative when it comes to certain values like family, work and genders roles.

We are all Venn diagrams. I'm sure some of my views would align with left leaning thinkers, some right, maybe I enjoy the same food as some neo nazis?
I don't think that's neither here nor there.

Sure, but if you were to take a guess, how many people do you think have this particular “mental illness”?

Secondly, are you comparing GC beliefs to the claim water is wet (which is incorrect, water is itself not wet. The things water comes in contact with become wet)?

I'm sure it's entirely redundant to point this out, but this^ is not something a "just curious" person would ever say. This is absolutely transparent.

I've got a good chocolate and almond one. Can post tomorrow if you'd like it. Uses a whole box of eggs.