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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Algerian boxer filing legal claim over online harrassment

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GoogleWhacking · 10/08/2024 22:26

news.sky.com/story/algerian-boxer-imane-khelif-at-centre-of-olympic-gender-row-files-legal-complaint-over-online-harassment-13195264

She could have put this to bed by sharing DNA tests. I'm struggling to feel sympathy, although it must be horrid.

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SinnerBoy · 11/08/2024 17:02

Iwasafool · Today 09:59

They've both been beaten by women so not a given they will win and I haven't heard of any boxers having their heads boxed off.

Have you not? Have you not heard of Angela Carini? If not, how can you possibly claim to be making informed comments?

PatatiPatatras · 11/08/2024 17:07

softsummerrain · 11/08/2024 11:27

It’s utterly heart breaking to imagine what Imane Khelif must be going through. To have your identity questioned and to be publicly called a man must be incredibly painful, especially after dedicating your life to your sport and achieving such success. I can’t even begin to fathom how devastating it must be to face that kind of scrutiny and cruelty from people who don’t know you.

How many of us have ever had our chromosomes checked at birth? Most of us simply take our identity for granted, without ever having to prove it to anyone. At what point do people think she “became” a man? The idea is absurd and dehumanizing. Imane has been living her life as a woman, facing all the challenges and triumphs that come with it, and now she’s being forced to defend her very existence.

No one deserves to go through this kind of public trial. The focus should be on supporting her as a person, respecting her identity, and recognizing the hard work and dedication she’s put into her sport. It’s a reminder of the importance of empathy and kindness, especially in situations where we might not fully understand someone else’s experience.

Cry me a fucking river.

Ever heard of puberty?

You know that part where girls and boys find out how harsh being an adult can be? that's usually when those chromosomes make a massive appearance.

Yeah that's the point this bloke would have known something was up and stopped living at least partially as female.

You can stop with the dramatic violins.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/08/2024 17:10

I was musing about the "difficulties" of sports classification this morning over my custard danish.

I haven't had a custard danish in years and now I really want one! misses point of post

duc748 · 11/08/2024 17:12

Clearly Khelif has been fully aware of his own status and karyotype for some time now, considering the hi-tech expert international support team behind him. This was Operation Win Olympic Gold in action. So, as @PatatiPatatras says, cry me a fucking river.

PatatiPatatras · 11/08/2024 17:15

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Everyoneesleistheproblem · 11/08/2024 17:56

Iwasafool · 11/08/2024 09:53

How would you feel if you have been brought up as female, always thought you were female, didn't have male genitalia and someone did a test (no one seems to have said what the test was and what it showed) and told you that you were male. Would you suddenly think Oh yes I'm a man or would you still think you were a woman.

I would probably still feel like me. In the body I think of as female.
However I wouldn't enter a sex based competition knowing I wasn't actually a female.

Maybe I would be campaigning for a category in the Para Olympics to reflect my DSD so I could fight other women with the same condition.

annejumps · 11/08/2024 18:01

InWalksBarberalla · 11/08/2024 13:00

Possibly it was quite a relief when he figured out he was a male during puberty given the differences in freedom and opportunities given to females and males in his community.

I've been thinking this as well during the "it must have been totally horrible" commentary. If I thought I was female and then learned I wasn't, particularly in a very conservative area, it might be like hitting the jackpot.

Gorgonemilezola · 11/08/2024 18:07

annejumps · 11/08/2024 18:01

I've been thinking this as well during the "it must have been totally horrible" commentary. If I thought I was female and then learned I wasn't, particularly in a very conservative area, it might be like hitting the jackpot.

Well, considering his supporters seemed to have no issue with a Muslim 'woman' being hoisted onto an unrelated male's shoulders with her naked thighs wrapped round his neck, it's possibly quite a good thing he learned he's not female......

Arconialiving · 11/08/2024 18:15

True @Gorgonemilezola

yourhairiswinterfire · 11/08/2024 18:37

You all are not real women

How do you know this Helen hun, have you been peeking at our passports?

CautiousLurker · 11/08/2024 19:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/08/2024 17:10

I was musing about the "difficulties" of sports classification this morning over my custard danish.

I haven't had a custard danish in years and now I really want one! misses point of post

Bought one for my DD just now - they haven’t had them in Sainsbury's for months (at least not by the time I get there) … was the last box of two. Serendipity.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 11/08/2024 20:04

How many of us have ever had our chromosomes checked at birth? Most of us simply take our identity for granted, without ever having to prove it to anyone. At what point do people think she “became” a man? The idea is absurd and dehumanizing. Imane has been living her life as a woman, facing all the challenges and triumphs that come with it, and now she’s being forced to defend her very existence.

OK its an AI bot post but its really struck me how much the phrasing is so similar to tra about defending existence. The simple fact is khelif hasn't been facing all the challenges women do, no boobs, no periods, probably no sexual harassment, from the sound of the upbringing didn't get tied to the house the way girls in the village would be.

Do I feel sympathy for someone who must have had a hell of a time going through a male puberty unexpectedly yes however I have even more sympathy for the women who genuinely lost out due to the complete lack of integrity of the IOC and various others.

And now I want a custard Danish, I have enough trouble just getting custard donuts

Helleofabore · 11/08/2024 20:27

The more I see parts of this post, the more it seems to the fuckwittery.

How many of us have ever had our chromosomes checked at birth? Most of us simply take our identity for granted, without ever having to prove it to anyone.

This is also irrelevant as a discussion point unless the person involved wants to enter a protected category of sport that requires eligibility to be established. Would people make these ‘privacy is paramount’ comments for people needing to establish eligibility for any other category: age, ability, amateur status, nationality?

This statement is used often, but it is simply a weak argument considering all categories that are based around protected categories require some kind of proof.

But also, again, as said over and over, many athletes find they have medical reasons that they cannot control that mean they cannot compete in sport they way they wish too. At all levels.

And yet, people use this weak argument as if simply saying you are in a protected category, or feeling you should be in that protected category, means that you gain access. This is, quite simply, entitlement. And those who are using this argument fail to understand this.

perhaps because they are being spoonfed their arguments from others while not actually having understood the argument or thought it through. Whereas building your argument from using original source material and having a deeper understanding of the situation and how discrimination, and how equity works means that you don’t make such glaring inconsistencies.

RainWithSunnySpells · 11/08/2024 20:40

Baroness said: 'OK its an AI bot post but its really struck me how much the phrasing is so similar to tra about defending existence.'

I think Reddit has been used to 'train' a lot of AI generators.

Helleofabore · 11/08/2024 20:42

RainWithSunnySpells · 11/08/2024 20:40

Baroness said: 'OK its an AI bot post but its really struck me how much the phrasing is so similar to tra about defending existence.'

I think Reddit has been used to 'train' a lot of AI generators.

You have to be kidding? Who the fuck thinks Reddit is a site of intelligent discussion about these topics?

PatatiPatatras · 11/08/2024 20:45

I was one of those who trusted reddit just before they kicked all the women out. Bits of it still have relevant, niche or up to date information.
Bit of a double edge sword.

RainWithSunnySpells · 11/08/2024 20:47

It was one of the things that was mentioned on the Aston data scraping thread.

'In February, a deal between Google and Reddit gave the search engine giant access to Reddit’s data API, which delivers real-time content from Reddit’s platform. This provided “Google with an efficient and structured way to access the vast corpus of existing content on Reddit,” while allowing it to use that information to train its AI models.
In May, Reddit’s other deal with OpenAI allowed the latter to access real-time content from Reddit’s data API, so that it can use that information within its ChatGPT platform and other products too. The partnership benefited Reddit too as not only did OpenAI become an advertising partner on Reddit, but the deal was also positioned as one that would “enable Reddit to bring new AI-powered features to Redditors and mods” and use OpenAI’s large language models to build applications.'

https://www.channelnews.com.au/reddit-ceo-wants-tech-companies-to-pay-it-for-scraping-its-data/

channelnews : Reddit CEO Wants Tech Companies To Pay For Scraping Its Data

After cutting separate deals with Google and OpenAI earlier this year to allow them to use content from its website, Reddit now wants Microsoft to come to the negotiating table too. Reddit CEO Steve Huffman has called on the Satya Nadella-led tech gian...

https://www.channelnews.com.au/reddit-ceo-wants-tech-companies-to-pay-it-for-scraping-its-data

littlbrowndog · 11/08/2024 20:53

Watching Matthew pinset on bbc. He knew exactly what was going on.

littlbrowndog · 11/08/2024 20:59

Watching Thomas Bach tonight. That dude does not have a clue what an arse he was towards women boxers and he didn’t care. INCLUSIVITY

SinnerBoy · 11/08/2024 22:31

Ingenieur · Today 12:46

Kremlin-Bicêtre is, quite literally, talking bollocks.

wrongthinker · 11/08/2024 22:43

Hasn't Khelif's trainer admitted that he has a DSD?

Helleofabore · 11/08/2024 22:50

wrongthinker · 11/08/2024 22:43

Hasn't Khelif's trainer admitted that he has a DSD?

And that Khelif was ‘suppressing their testosterone’.

No female on the planet has to ‘suppress their testosterone’ to play sport. It is a sure sign that despite all these gaslighting officials, they all know that this boxer is male. Because only male athletes have to suppress their testosterone to play sport in the female category.

duc748 · 11/08/2024 22:52

I thought it was more a case of "Yes, she's XY. And had male levels of testosterone (until we reduced them a bit). But she's still a woman, according to this definition of a woman that I just made up in my head".

Helleofabore · 11/08/2024 23:02

Yes. That is the crux of it.

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