Thread 3: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Thread 1

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What CS says is absolutely true, WA does apply a very different (much more fact based, and therefore stricter) standard to the IOC. This is a strong counter to all of the usual suspects who are gormlessly claiming that it'd be totally impossible to come up with a halfway plausible test - if it chose to, the IOC could simply piggy back onto the testing used in some of its other sports. But it has very deliberately chosen not to, without saying why.

Yes.

This from Floisme's post above:
'The IOC now says ultimately it is up to individual sports to decide their rules based on “robust and peer-reviewed science” with competitors excluded when research “demonstrates a consistent, unfair and disproportionate competitive advantage and/or an unpreventable risk to the safety of the athletes”.
How is XX people boxing XY people not a safety risk?

Yet overides the IBA...

You know looking at that face that he is utterly craven and not bright. Middle management greasing the wheel.
Starmers mate.

Yes. The IBA have stated very clearly the risk of serious injury or even death.

How is XX people boxing XY people not a safety risk?

They're gender-addled idiots. Remember that they first accepted Joanna Harper's "research" into trans athletes.

the mind does indeed boggle at what the "peer-reviewed science" of the 'check her passport' method might involve.

perhaps a geometry professor with a protector, carefully measuring whether how vertical the upward stroke of the letter 'F' and how horizontal the sideways stroke is? the former needs to be no less than 89° from the horizontal and the latter no more than 1°, otherwise the athlete is ineligible? seriously, what kind of morons do they take their public for?

In other sports that are sex segregated, it's horribly unfair to have males compete against women.

To have this situation in boxing is just a fucking outrageous travesty. I think the women boxers involved, many of whom have spoken out or at least made signals to show their resistance, plus the coaches who raised concerns initially, and all of the IBA officials who have made statements, understand the safety concerns very well, and that's why they've been quite loud and clear on the subject.

All the safety measures mean the square root of fuck all when you put a male with a longer reach and vastly more powerful punching power in a ring with a woman. Cruel doesn't even begin to describe it.

Not only that, but everyone knows they are males battering women.

What effect does that have on women and girls watching?

Men beating women and getting cheered on.

The IOC are creating a situation where men can just change their passport to F and compete with women. It's completely ridiculous as well as unsafe.

It's actually discrimination against other men too. If some biological men can compete regardless of biology and based on paper alone, why exclude others?

And voila women's sport is dead.

Blaming The Jews - oh sorry, the Zionists - is popular among the same people I know who are insisting that Khelif is a woman, was a woman, has two kids actually; so that angle might also explain some of the focus on IK over the Taiwanese boxer.

That's why I was wondering whether "Lia" Thomas might sue (again).

Side note, that article is kind of a mess.

Drat! I forgot the Jews are sponsoring it and the reds are under the bed.

Should anything serious happens there will be a lot of scrubbing of the internet. The IOC surely must have some panic that if any female gets hurt the spotlight will be straight at them. I’d of hoped that the ring side doctors may have at least spoken up, the lack of duty of care is sickening.

Probably just hear more of the "boxing is inherently dangerous (she asked for it)" talking point that we're already seeing.

Yes, it's quite something that the IOC's own standards appear less robust than that of the organisation they (IOC) kicked out of the competition.

Does anyone know where the quotes: 'robust and peer-reviewed science' and 'demonstrates a consistent, unfair and disproportionate competitive advantage and/or an unpreventable risk to the safety of the athletes' have come from?
I don't remember seeing them anywhere but The Telegraph / Tom Morgan have put them in speech marks which, to me, implies they've been lifted directly from an IOC document or statement.

Well the IOC's goal is looser - oh sorry, more inclusive - standards.

Possibly from their framework on inclusion, hold on:

https://olympics.com/ioc/news/ioc-releases-framework-on-fairness-inclusion-and-non-discrimination-on-the-basis-of-gender-identity-and-sex-variations

in the pdf, point 6. I can't c and p because it's a fucking pdf.

Here go

CS wants to be exempt from the requirement for androgen blockade, like boxers seem to be(?)

In other news, CS is proud of CS's testicles.

It's testes, Caster, not testicles. Like magma and lava. Get it right.

fanks, babe. PDFs bring out the irrational rage in me sometimes.

From the CS article:

The boxing body has been scrambling to regain credibility after its president branded Khelif and Lin “men” on Monday. “We don’t verify what they have between their legs,” said Umar Kremlev, the federation’s Russian president, <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/a5Hv8/www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2024/08/05/imane-khelif-iba-explain-olympics-gender-row-boxer-live/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">as he launched into a series of wild tirades.
The two boxers are now certain of medals in Paris despite being ruled ineligible for female competition by IBA tests carried out in 2022 and 2023.
“The tests show they were men,” said Kremlev in Russian, after it was explained how the pair were among four boxers who were initially suspected of being male. “We don’t verify what they have between their legs. We don’t know if they were born like that, or if some changes were made. The second tests confirmed the first tests. If people have doubts, refer to them. They can make their own tests.”

Are those the wild tirades? Thank god they were labeled as such so we know what to think

In other news, CS is proud of CS's testicles.

And says “I have kids now and I want to spend more time at home.”

I bet there are people who will claim that CS literally gave birth to them, what with
being female and all.