Thread 3: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Khalifa is so arrogant he wouldn't throw a match unless he was forced to

I think from their point of view they might as well win gold now, not throw their matches. There’s a chance the rules might change after this Olympics, in which case they may not be allowed to compete in a future games, there’s limited opportunities for other medals given they’re banned from IBA competitions, and as we’ve seen from Caster Semenya, they probably wouldn’t get stripped of medals even if they get found out.

Unless of course they’re under pressure from the powers that be to throw matches but then we’d be getting deep into corruption and well, that’d be ironic!

It's hard to know what to think, but I reckon the IOC want them to win, and I can't see either 'throwing' a bout. Anyway, Khelif is fighting against all the haters on SM, you know.

I was thinking yesterday, "Boxing is known to be a corrupt sport........ so let's trust the people standing to win $50K if they're allowed to cheat"

And "The Zionists"

This has absolutely ruined this Olympics for me. I’m watching the women’s Break (breakdancing???) at the moment and there an athlete there who I doubt is female. The moves this person did are similar to what we see in men’s gymnastics. We don’t see women doing them because you know, the difference in upper body strength.
At first I thought I was getting paranoid due to the boxing but I’ve continued watching and it’s very easy to spot the females despite the baggy clothing.
I know nothing about this sport but it strikes me that they are unlikely to have sex screening. Happy to be corrected.

Neither of them will throw the match but there's every chance the judges will be told to make sure they don't win. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised to see that happen. The IOC cares no more about Khelif and Lin as individual people than they do about the boxers they've beaten. If it suits the IOC to have them lose, they will lose.

The way things go in boxing at present, if 'they' want Lin and Khelif to win silvers not golds, that's what will happen.
Having [quite rightly] castigated the IBA for match-fixing, there have been some inexplicable results under IOC regulations in Paris, notably Daina Moorehouse (Ireland) losing to home-town opponent Wassila Lkhadiri (France) in the 50kg competition, when it seemed obvious that Moorehouse had won every round.

For a while there was a real-time computer-based scoring system in amateur boxing, so three out of five judges had to signal that they believed a clean punch had been landed - this was hard to 'fix'. In 2013, they went back to judges' overall scores at the end of each round - much more subjective and open to um... creative interpretation..

So if it is more politic for Khelif and Lin to lose the gold medal bout - 'look, women can beat them!' - it wouldn't be hard to arrange it. Interesting to see what happens..

slight cross-posting with you there, tellmewhoareyou, sorry I didn't refer to your post, it came in while I was typing, proof-reading, fact-checking, re-typing, editing, etc!

I will comment that taking the silvers would in no way mollify me. I regard those as displacing women from silver medal podium finishes with a ripple effect the whole way down to the women they displaced in their national teams and before.

Yes this! Back to woman's hour (catching up!) while Rani showed concern for "these two female athletes" she never once commented or asked about the women they are competing against and their response, although she did ask about the spectators. Weak! I do feel Emma Barnet would have tried to get the displacement and women protection point across.

I noticed that, but it was good that Dan Roan mentioned concerns about the female athletes that they have completed against.

If I was one of the women boxing then and because I'm a conniving bugger, if I knew I was losing in the third round and they landed a punch, I'd hit the deck and pretend I was unconscious for a minute. I can see the headlines now.

I simply want the fighters to be safe, obviously. And then let the best boxerperson win.
I am absolutely appalled that the IOC has abandoned any pretence of having a female category in boxing, and that so many are cheering that on.

What a complete shitshow, according to Thomas Bach he know the athletes are women even though we don’t know what a woman is. Leadership zero

Medal stripping won't happen, whatever comes out in future (unless there are forged passports involved). They are competing correctly under the Olympic rules, regardless of how ridiculous and immoral those rules may be.

Rani is such a transmaiden. No concern for the women who’ve been clobbered by men in the ring or had their dreams and opportunities stolen. It’s Women’s Hour you Vichy “feminist” how about thinking about the effect on women for once?

I’m uncomfortable with this, especially given the poor quality of the photos.

Apologies if this has been linked already, but Fair Play for Women posted The Telegraph's article with comments from Sharron Davies: https://www.facebook.com/fairplayforwomen/posts/pfbid0yxuKN5FNTAM3G9n9SCk2a8xSzfdJtqFZq59bX1WHPzFhDyuLW2xD8WG8Y8fEJJoql

@KeirSpoutsTwaddle I’m uncomfortable with this, especially given the poor quality of the photos.

The IOC are relying on your discomfort. So you don't say what your eyes are telling you. So you stay silent.

Can we please not debase the thread to the level of conducting transvestigations? Posting athletes' passport photos isn't evidence. Thanks.

I disagree @greenmeasuringtape

Moving videos, people currently competing, so be it. I agree it seems likely there are a lot of others competing in the wrong category.

Putting up ID photos for discussion really is meaningless. I could be mistaken for male from my passport photo, which really wouldn’t happen any other way.

Heartening from the Japanese men's relay team:

https://x.com/antoniafrances/status/1821968313062453524

It's from Naruto.

Though maybe both, I like to think so