Thread 3: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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We know the IOC have had complaints both Italy and Hungary complained. That has been mentioned in the news so its definitely 2.

You're right, and speaking to my friend who was formerly an Olympian, if you speak out about something the IOC don't like, then you will be punished by exclusion from future Olympics. These women would only be able to say something if they knew it was their last Olympics.

Whilst looking for a quick way to use up some overripe bananas.

Tell that to the folks on Twitter proclaiming this individual has, I quote, "a uterus and a womb."

I have thought of this, too. Where are the whistleblowers? Where is investigative journalism?

Each person that doesn't speak up is complicit in deceiving the public and damaging the Olympic movement.

I stumbled across this article, it suggests spending too much time thinking about trans people or genitalia may not be healthy.

Trust me when I say most people want to think about genitalia in sports lot less.

If the IOC had reliable sex testing, there would be absolutely no need to. Win, win.

Dunno about that. They'd have been more effective without that car crash of a press conference. As it is, they've given the gender loons all the excuse they need to dismiss the issue.

They've been all over the various AIBU threads.

Agreed, that didn't help.

The information was excellent. The organisation awful. The press appalling.

Yes, Dr Emma Hilton said yesterday that she felt they were using it as "misdirection" to avoid tackling the issue.

Place making 🥊

This is very true. The obsession with going on about 'genital facism' and 'why are you obsessed with her genitals' and all that nonsense makes me laugh. They're called secondary sex characteristics for a reason, they're really not that important in the scheme of things! Its the primary sex organs that count, testes or ovaries and whether you have gone down the male or female development pathway and benefited from a male puberty or not.

IME it individuals with a penis that are rather fond of it that place disproportionate importance on it 😄

It's purely a thought experiment as it isn't gonna happen, but imagine there was a biologically female competing for the males pole vault, without the worry of the 'ahem' biological issue that the French guy had this week.

Men wouldn't let that stand 🤷🏼‍♀️ they'd be screaming about athletes genitalia from the rooftops!

when it all comes out in the future, the shambolic IBA conference means that at least the excuse this time can’t be that people didn’t listen because the women were being mean and shrill.

FFS, we’re not expecting the journalists to be Woodward and Bernstein. The information is right there out in the open if they had the intellectual honesty and curiosity to look and listen. Just do their basic job.

There are some journalists trying to lift the lid. Alan Abrahamson has got the closest to getting it out there, but he’s not been picked up by the mainstream.

I've wondered why none of the articles about this have any discussion about the IOC's rules and the fact that they are more lenient than the those of the bodies that oversee swimming, athletics etc. And the implications that has on safety and fairness in women's sports. Are they being censored or are they just uninterested?

To be fair to the Mail, they did include a fair bit of the info re athletics having different regulations

Christinapple (or Adamsapple, as I prefer to think of you)

Let me explain something to you. I'll do it as plainly as I can because you don't strike me as being the sharpest knife in the drawer.

No one sane, trust me, wants to spend any time at all thinking about the genitals of Imane Khelif. However, because many of us are concerned about the fact that women are being forced to put their safety at risk by being put in a boxing ring with a man, pointing out that Khelif has male genitalia is the most obvious way of demonstrating to the lunatics and idiots that Khelif is actually male.

This may come as a shock to you, but a passport is not a reliable indicator of a person's sex. When a new mother asks the midwife "Is it a boy or a girl?" the midwife doesn't say "I don't know, I'll have to check their passport."

In the overwhelming majority of cases, external genitalia are a reliable indicator of whether a person is male or female.

This entire problem could have been solved by not putting a man up to fight in a women's competition in the first place. That's on you and your fellow-travellers.

I hope this is clear enough for you to understand. If you're still having difficulty, perhaps someone else can come along and explain it in very simple toddler-level language.

We don't spend time thinking about anyone's genitals, we spend time discussing the unfairness of men self-IDing into women's sports and stealing our stuff.

If you'd been watching Patrick Christys's show on GB News a couple of nights ago, you'd have heard Benjamin Butterworth (he of the 'Buttergasp' fame from a couple of years back) shouting 'she's got a cervix!' about Kelif. Setting aside the point that I'd lay good money on Butterworth having no idea what or where a cervix actually is, it clearly shows at least one men's rights activist is obsessed with TW's reproductive organs.

Butterworth and David Lammy,separated at birth.

Nick Wallis, the investigative journalist who wrote about the Post office scandal, has been tweeting about this

"If you control the meaning of words, you control the people who must use those words." Philip K Dick

Very important quote

The IOC won the battle in this competition, unless a female boxer is shockingly hurt which for many is a high bar the boxing will continue and medals and history book wrote as the same gameplay was followed as 2016. As soon as the boxers were the victims negative speech was curtailed. Even ignoring the athletes and concentrating on the eligibility is deemed bad faith. The most that can now be hoped for is the pressure to change regulations or to have a sporting body step up who has sex testing for the next Olympics just as the Caster scenario things can change but it will be too late for these females and this Olympics

I read somewhere that boxing's place in 2028 Olympics is not yet confirmed, due to all the regulatory chaos. So it might not be a problem at the next Olympics, if there is no boxing to enter.