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Guardian article- disgusting euphemism of the systematic rape of 1400 children

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Heylo · 06/08/2024 08:32

I read this article last night and I am livid. She discusses the riots in Rotherham. She mentions ‘a town with past tensions’. She makes no mention of the systematic and paedophilic rape of 1400 children.

classic guardian, don’t talk about it and don’t report it if it doesn’t fit the narrative.

I can’t wait for this women hating, gay people hating, MRM loving rag to bankrupt.

here’s the article below. Pls consider writing into complain. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/05/a-dark-day-anger-in-rotherham-after-riot-at-hotel-housing-asylum-seekers

‘A dark day’: anger in Rotherham after riot at hotel housing asylum seekers

Residents attempt clean-up after far-right mob attacked police, smashed windows and tried to set building on fire

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/05/a-dark-day-anger-in-rotherham-after-riot-at-hotel-housing-asylum-seekers

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NeedSomeAnswersPlease · 08/08/2024 11:00

Bamboomyrrh · 08/08/2024 10:59

The issue with the rioters is that while past events may act as triggers, their anger stems mainly from a perspective of ‘they raped OUR women and girls.’ If these acts occurred solely within the Muslim community, would they react similarly? Racism and misogyny are closely linked. These rioters are far from being our defenders; they are regressive in their views. Unfortunately, some problematic elements within the Muslim community exploit Western sympathies by playing the Islamophobia card, even mocking it, as noted in the BBC article. People are more concerned about being labeled racist than about protecting women and girls. This hasn't changed.

But it's "our women and girls" until it's the increase in DV after England games, or until it's white men doing the raping, it's not about women and girls at all

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 11:01

People are more concerned about being labeled racist than about protecting women and girls. This hasn't changed.

Yes.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 11:02

But it's "our women and girls" until it's the increase in DV after England games, or until it's white men doing the raping, it's not about women and girls at all

And I also agree with this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 11:03

Basically, everyone ignores the rights, safety and feelings of women and girls, they are secondary to pretty much every other issue.

Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit · 08/08/2024 11:22

I read the Jay report on the Rotherham Child sexual exploitation case from a link on the Guardian website. I really recommend everyone who is interested on this thread to do the same. It is simply a stunning and horrifying piece of work by Professor Jay and should be better known.
It dawned on me as I read it that the real problem was patriarchy. Men in positions of power in society aided and abetted the abusers of vulnerable girls over years because that's what they wanted to do.
Incidently Professor Jay makes the point that no one knows if it was a cover up because the council or police didn't want to be accused of racism because the police failed to record the ethnic origin of the men they caught in cars with girls.
I really urge people to read the report for themselves, the Professor went into many of the questions people are raising here like if girls of Asian origin were also abused and how the local Asian origin community responded. I do advise you not to try to read it all in one go, it is the most horrible thing I think I have ever read. When Margaret Atwood said she hadn't made up anything in the Handmaids Tale she wasn't joking.

TheCadoganArms · 08/08/2024 11:30

SnowFrogJelly · 08/08/2024 00:41

I can’t wait for this women hating, gay people hating, MRM loving rag to bankrupt

Do you actually read the Guardian? If you did you would realise that this is totally inaccurate. Why not try the Mail for a more balanced viewpoint .

The Guardian ceased to be a pro feminist and LGB paper when it decided that those groups were less important then maintaining ideological purity on the trans and immigration issues. They preferred to bully their women journalists out of the paper who dared flag the very real issues that were affecting women and the LBG community.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 11:52

I've read both the Jay report, when it came out, and also Dame Louise Casey's report into Rotherham Council which came out in February 2015.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a74e65ee5274a3cb286815c/46966RotherhammReportPRINT.pdf

Her report shows that 70% of Rotherham councillors interviewed didn't agree with the Jay report and had ignored its findings.

The issues around perceptions and reality of race issues are discussed on pages 32-36 and in other sections where they crop up. And they did.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 12:03

Cheers @Thelnebriati

Thelnebriati · 08/08/2024 12:16

Its not 'past tensions' for locals and victims, these are ongoing issues.

''11 June 2024 - Child sex abusers are continuing to prey on youngsters in Rotherham more than 12 years after the grooming gang scandal was first exposed, locals have claimed.''

''The latest prosecution follows a five-year investigation by officers from the National Crime Agency's Operation Stovewood, the UK's biggest investigation into child abuse.
A spokesman told the Daily Mail: 'Our caseload so far involves over 200 arrests out of 300 suspects, and 1,150 victims. So far, there have been 33 convictions after 15 trials but there are further trials due to start and we have more than 50 live investigations.''

https://archive.ph/PXVUV

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 12:22

Yes that's an important point. It's shocking.

Dumbo12 · 08/08/2024 12:30

So who do people think were pimping girls forty years ago? It wasn't Muslim men, it was afro Caribbean and white men. Prior to that it tended to be Irish men. Who consistently looked the other way? Men in power, men in the police. Did some of those men make money out of turning a blind eye, almost certainly.

MerryTraveller · 08/08/2024 12:38

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 09:44

The Guardian has not exactly covered themselves in glory when reporting on anything of this nature. See their reporting on mass sexual assaults on women in Cologne on New Years Eve 2015.

The Guardian has a well established culture of being far more concerned about looking racist, than it is about looking misogynistic.

I was so appalled by their coverage of the Rotherham cases that I stopped buying or supporting the Guardian at that time.

localnotail · 08/08/2024 12:56

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Was it because of the cultural differences, or because these girls were primarily from foster homes (where no one looked after them) or from very poor families - and therefore much more vulnerable?

If you want to talk about cultural attitudes, how about discussing how young Black girls are viewed in our society?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 13:11

Who consistently looked the other way? Men in power, men in the police. Did some of those men make money out of turning a blind eye, almost certainly.

Yes, no argument there.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 13:13

Was it because of the cultural differences, or because these girls were primarily from foster homes (where no one looked after them) or from very poor families - and therefore much more vulnerable?

I think it was both. I don't see the point of denying that it was part of it.

localnotail · 08/08/2024 14:01

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 13:13

Was it because of the cultural differences, or because these girls were primarily from foster homes (where no one looked after them) or from very poor families - and therefore much more vulnerable?

I think it was both. I don't see the point of denying that it was part of it.

I'm denying it was horrible, but I disagree that all Muslim man view white girls in this way. This particular group, yes - but they are lowlife who simply happened to be from one particular group of our society. Also, I would like to remind you this went on for so long not only because police feared being branded "racist" (idiotic, I agree), but also because until fairly recently these girls were branded "promiscuous" and even "underage prostitutes" by police and social services and were not seen as victims.

Lemonty · 08/08/2024 14:08

Yeah I worked with northern girls who were being sexually abused and raped but who were in the ‘care’ system. There were different men who did this and most were part of a group. The biggest failure was the failure of anyone to give a shit. Police, social workers, care home staff, councillors and MPs. The attitude was that it was consensual. Beyond that also that it was anything from sad to the girls being tarts depending on who you talked to. In short men were and are the problem.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 14:12

I'm denying it was horrible, but I disagree that all Muslim man view white girls in this way. This particular group, yes - but they are lowlife who simply happened to be from one particular group of our society. Also, I would like to remind you this went on for so long not only because police feared being branded "racist" (idiotic, I agree), but also because until fairly recently these girls were branded "promiscuous" and even "underage prostitutes" by police and social services and were not seen as victims.

I didn't say all Muslim men did, and I don't need "reminding" of anything, thanks.

Justme56 · 08/08/2024 14:34

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen look up the Socialist Workers Party re the pink and yellow signs. Don’t know much apart from some comments on X describing them as a fringe communist party (not my words).

duc748 · 08/08/2024 14:34

The Guardian has a well established culture of being far more concerned about looking racist, than it is about looking misogynistic.

Being, if not on the Right Side of History, on the Right Side of the Argument. because that seems to be the most important thing, and we see it everywhere. SM is full of posts from middle-class Remain-y groups, slagging off thick Northerners for raiding pie shops and being racist (and the riots are inexcusable, for sure), continuing to lecture Brexit voters about their foolishness, women for being racist about 'Western ideals of beauty', the finger-wagging is everywhere, including MN. And the assertation behind all of it,

"I'm a considerably better person than yew!"

Halo-polishing.

Thepurplecar · 08/08/2024 14:40

Are you suggesting these men were rioting to protect women and children?

Are you suggesting the asylum seekers in the hotel were sexually abusing children?

If so, you're wrong. The only connection is that violent men will use any excuse to be violent - I expect the wives and girlfriends of these rioters know that only too well. Protecting women and children, my arse.

Porridgenpots · 08/08/2024 14:42

Bamboomyrrh · 08/08/2024 10:59

The issue with the rioters is that while past events may act as triggers, their anger stems mainly from a perspective of ‘they raped OUR women and girls.’ If these acts occurred solely within the Muslim community, would they react similarly? Racism and misogyny are closely linked. These rioters are far from being our defenders; they are regressive in their views. Unfortunately, some problematic elements within the Muslim community exploit Western sympathies by playing the Islamophobia card, even mocking it, as noted in the BBC article. People are more concerned about being labeled racist than about protecting women and girls. This hasn't changed.

indeed. The “ save our girls” thing is dripping with racism, that’s why you didn’t hear a peep from them when the white man killed a black teen with a sword or when the white man burnt a Somali woman and her two kids to death in their house or when violent white men have went on various misogynistic rampages targeting women or when Lucy Letby killed 7 babies….etc etc

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 14:43

Don’t know much apart from some comments on X describing them as a fringe communist party (not my words).

They're awful. Google "Comrade Delta".

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