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Guardian article- disgusting euphemism of the systematic rape of 1400 children

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Heylo · 06/08/2024 08:32

I read this article last night and I am livid. She discusses the riots in Rotherham. She mentions ‘a town with past tensions’. She makes no mention of the systematic and paedophilic rape of 1400 children.

classic guardian, don’t talk about it and don’t report it if it doesn’t fit the narrative.

I can’t wait for this women hating, gay people hating, MRM loving rag to bankrupt.

here’s the article below. Pls consider writing into complain. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/05/a-dark-day-anger-in-rotherham-after-riot-at-hotel-housing-asylum-seekers

‘A dark day’: anger in Rotherham after riot at hotel housing asylum seekers

Residents attempt clean-up after far-right mob attacked police, smashed windows and tried to set building on fire

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/05/a-dark-day-anger-in-rotherham-after-riot-at-hotel-housing-asylum-seekers

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Menopausalsourpuss · 08/08/2024 21:26

Yes as far as I can see conservatives have condemned riots alot more than Labour have condemned elements of Palestine "protests" which Jewish people on here have told us are making them very scared. And the fact that someone is born in this country doesn't imbue them with the culture as mass immigration has meant there are whole areas of towns where people may as well be in their original country with their compratriots but just living here - that is why people are worried about integration.

Grammarnut · 08/08/2024 22:17

CassieMaddox · 08/08/2024 19:10

I thought a lot of the men were born in the UK.
If you are correct and it's that localised to a geographical area, then a conversation about Muslim practices or even Pakistani practices is largely irrelevant and potentially misleading.

They were mostly born here. However, their family and cultural norms were from their place of origin - one of the results of multi-culturalism and communities of communities. Cultures of origin matter.

Grammarnut · 10/08/2024 12:14

SonicTheHodgeheg · 08/08/2024 16:40

Do the thugs really care about the children or are they angry that the perpetrators were Asian and got away with it for so long because of systematic police incompetence?
If they really cared about the children then you’d expect violence against children to be virtually non-existent there but the children are being used to make a point about race rather than increase support and community vigilance with regards to violence against children. I would hazard a guess that children there still suffer abuse every day because violent men will always go after the weakest groups like children, women, animals and the elderly.

It wasn't incompetence, it was racism - in the sense that the police did not want to upset apple carts in the communities the perpetrators belonged to. There was also an element of believing the victims were worthless, anyway.

Dumbo12 · 10/08/2024 12:28

Incompetence, victim blaming and in some instances being complicit, are themes in most instances of prostituted women and girls being failed by the police and other agencies.

TheCadoganArms · 10/08/2024 13:52

CassieMaddox · 08/08/2024 19:10

I thought a lot of the men were born in the UK.
If you are correct and it's that localised to a geographical area, then a conversation about Muslim practices or even Pakistani practices is largely irrelevant and potentially misleading.

I think you are being wilfully disingenuous now.

Imnobody4 · 10/08/2024 14:26

Accurate data on perpetrators in organised CSE is essential.

From the IICSA Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse
B.5: Ethnicity data collection

40. As set out in Part H, this investigation demonstrated a widespread failure in the case study areas to record the ethnicity of perpetrators and victims of child sexual exploitation.

41. Analysis cannot be undertaken effectively unless there is an improvement in the accuracy and frequency of data collection generally. Under-recording will inhibit the opportunity to understand the context in which child sexual exploitation occurs, losing opportunities to deal most effectively with perpetrators and engage with victims and their communities. It is unclear whether a misplaced sense of political correctness or the sheer complexity of the problem have inhibited good-quality data collection generally and on ethnicity more specifically.

42. The failure to collect data on the ethnicity of the perpetrators and victims of child sexual exploitation, and the failure to make a public statement of the reasons why it is important to collect such data, have also led to a one-sided and often uninformed public debate where links have been made between ethnicity and a number of high-profile cases involving South Asian men. Allowing this debate to continue without providing a proper context allows an accusatory style of debate in the public domain which is both unhelpful and divisive.

43. Accurate data on the ethnicity of perpetrators and victims play an important part in enhancing understanding of crimes and the contexts in which they occur. They assist the relevant statutory agencies to target resources appropriately – enabling the police, for example, to engage with communities where these crimes occur to take preventative action. That engagement will be enhanced by an improved understanding of that community, such as whether there is resistance to intervention because authorities are distrusted, whether there are barriers to reporting based on cultural factors and whether members of that community fear the consequences of speaking out against wrongdoing. Victims may also require culturally sensitive services based on their needs to assist them and may need protection from being forced back into a life that has resulted in such damaging consequences.

44. The Secretary of State for the Home Department has been publishing data on perpetrator and victim ethnicity for 20 years, since the introduction of section 95 of the Criminal Justice Act 1991. This confirms the principle that statistical data on ethnicity are a valuable asset in ensuring statutory agencies are held to account for their performance in avoiding discrimination on the grounds of race or sex.

45. While the most up-to-date section 95 report contains data on the ethnicity of perpetrators of sexual offences, it does not break down the offence categories to include offences against children who have been sexually exploited.[1] It is also silent on the ethnic profile of victims of sexual offending.[2] While section 95 is an important feature of data collection in the criminal justice system, it does not – and indeed is not designed to – accommodate the detail necessary to better understand the nature and prevalence of child sexual exploitation by networks.

46. Despite attempts to ascertain data on ethnicity at a national level, little progress has been made. The Home Office’s paper Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation Characteristics of Offending (published in December 2020) found that there were “significant limitations” to what can be said about links between ethnicity and child sexual exploitation. As this paper recognised, there is limited research and that which has been done tends to rely on poor quality data. There are significant challenges in obtaining accurate data.

47. Finally, the result of this lack of accurate and reliable data from police forces and local authorities, compounded by the lack of consistency about the definitions of ‘child sexual exploitation’ and ‘networks’ (discussed in Part C), is that the government and other organisations cannot know the current scale of child sexual exploitation by networks, or who is involved in these groups.

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation/cs-organised-networks/

Imnobody4 · 10/08/2024 14:36

I agree entirely with Julie. The left have failed.

Rochdale plays into Ukip’s hands – and the liberal left is to blame Julie Bindel https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/26/rochdale-ukip-liberal-left-race-sexual-abuse?CMP=share_btn_url

I was the first journalist to write about such cases in the national press, and was immediately placed on “Islamophobia watch”, accused of demonising Pakistani men. But I had done nothing of the sort. I had attempted to expose the organised nature of the crime, and to highlight the fact that there was a hands-off approach from some child protection professionals.

Rochdale plays into Ukip’s hands – and the liberal left is to blame | Julie Bindel

Julie Bindel: Failure to deal with thorny issues of race and ethnicity has allowed these dinosaurs to appropriate the issue of child sexual abuse

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/26/rochdale-ukip-liberal-left-race-sexual-abuse?CMP=share_btn_url

JandLandG · 10/08/2024 15:25

Speedweed · 06/08/2024 09:16

I note in the bbc article the failing to deal with it early was due to fear of being labelled racist because it was largely Asian men doing the exploiting.

When this context is given in light of the Guardian's story you can see why people in Rotherham have reacted furiously. All of those 1400 children (and those are just the ones they are aware of, there will be others), have parents, and if those 2800 adults (plus grandparents, aunts, uncles and friends) are angry at what happened and no real change since then, it wouldn't be surprising if there is overlap between those groups and they comprise a significant number who are rioting.

I remember reading about the police's non-action at the time and thinking it was appalling and that the reason given was very fishy-sounding.

I thought that racism was one the police's main things that they were good at.

I bet there were a few chaps in Brixton/Handsworth/Moss Side/St Paul's etc chuckling into their beer when they heard that the police didn't want to be seen as racist so they did investigate.

Absolute poppycock.

The real reason they didn't deal with it?

Class, of course.

What else is there?

quantumbutterfly · 10/08/2024 15:50

Omlettes · 06/08/2024 16:04

Julie Bindel wrote about this in the Guardian in 2004
But Maggie Oliver is the person to listen too, she was a cop dealing with it all, till she blew the whistle.
Might start a thread about her, she is a trooper! She has a foundation protecting kids like this, which I urge others to support
%7Cheretics.

Edited

Thank you for this link. Seems Maggie has devoted herself to helping sexual abuse survivors now.
https://www.themaggieoliverfoundation.com/campaigning.

So many years have passed and here we still are.

JandLandG · 10/08/2024 23:10

JandLandG · 10/08/2024 15:25

I remember reading about the police's non-action at the time and thinking it was appalling and that the reason given was very fishy-sounding.

I thought that racism was one the police's main things that they were good at.

I bet there were a few chaps in Brixton/Handsworth/Moss Side/St Paul's etc chuckling into their beer when they heard that the police didn't want to be seen as racist so they did investigate.

Absolute poppycock.

The real reason they didn't deal with it?

Class, of course.

What else is there?

Actually, just reading this back, I'd like to apologise and change it.

It isn't just class, of course.

Gender too.

Certainly in this case; but usually I'd say class trumps gender virtually every time.

Either way, the above-mentioned chaps are still chuckling into their beer at the thought of the police being shy in case they're accused of being racist.

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