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Guardian article- disgusting euphemism of the systematic rape of 1400 children

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Heylo · 06/08/2024 08:32

I read this article last night and I am livid. She discusses the riots in Rotherham. She mentions ‘a town with past tensions’. She makes no mention of the systematic and paedophilic rape of 1400 children.

classic guardian, don’t talk about it and don’t report it if it doesn’t fit the narrative.

I can’t wait for this women hating, gay people hating, MRM loving rag to bankrupt.

here’s the article below. Pls consider writing into complain. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/05/a-dark-day-anger-in-rotherham-after-riot-at-hotel-housing-asylum-seekers

‘A dark day’: anger in Rotherham after riot at hotel housing asylum seekers

Residents attempt clean-up after far-right mob attacked police, smashed windows and tried to set building on fire

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/05/a-dark-day-anger-in-rotherham-after-riot-at-hotel-housing-asylum-seekers

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Ourdearoldqueen · 06/08/2024 08:33

1400 children in Rotherham were raped?

OldCrone · 06/08/2024 08:39

Ourdearoldqueen · 06/08/2024 08:33

1400 children in Rotherham were raped?

At least 1,400 children were subjected to appalling sexual exploitation in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, a report has found.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds

At least 1,400 children were subjected to appalling sexual exploitation in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, a report finds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

Speedweed · 06/08/2024 09:16

I note in the bbc article the failing to deal with it early was due to fear of being labelled racist because it was largely Asian men doing the exploiting.

When this context is given in light of the Guardian's story you can see why people in Rotherham have reacted furiously. All of those 1400 children (and those are just the ones they are aware of, there will be others), have parents, and if those 2800 adults (plus grandparents, aunts, uncles and friends) are angry at what happened and no real change since then, it wouldn't be surprising if there is overlap between those groups and they comprise a significant number who are rioting.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 09:42

I think it both does fuel the tension, and also creates a perfect excuse for racist men who like rioting.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 09:44

The Guardian has not exactly covered themselves in glory when reporting on anything of this nature. See their reporting on mass sexual assaults on women in Cologne on New Years Eve 2015.

Ramblingnamechanger · 06/08/2024 10:41

Not only in Rotherham. Of course there is anger about what happened. But violent men are a problem for all communities. I keep thinking about what we as women can do about it. If there were enough of us we could form up to present a united front when any violence happens but it is too scary to do so without special training I think. And we would have to control our understandable anger. I am so sick of men taking the whole space that we just retreat into our own worlds to avoid it, although for some of us home is the most unsafe place.

Ramblingnamechanger · 06/08/2024 10:43

If it wasn’t for the last problem I think a curfew for men would work.

Imnobody4 · 06/08/2024 11:30

Guardian used to be my paper of choice. Can't believe how much I loathe it now.

Petrine · 06/08/2024 11:39

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 09:42

I think it both does fuel the tension, and also creates a perfect excuse for racist men who like rioting.

What? You don't think it's justifiable outrage that the crimes were committed and that it was glossed over?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 11:42

I think there is justifiable outrage at how the crimes were dealt with, yes. I don't support riots or capitalising on tensions.

TempestTost · 06/08/2024 13:41

There are definitely larger social tensions that are coming to a head I think. Communities that are struggling with mixing different customs and ways of thinking about women or behaviour. Struggles over access to state support. Struggles over finding a home. Struggles over finding a home close to your parents, siblings, etc. Struggles over access to schools and medical care.

Neither the Tories nor the LP have offered any really useful approaches to this. It was bound I suspect to break out at some point as it has in Europe.

The rioting I think is both related and non-related. I said in a different thread, the thing it reminds me of most is the BLM riots in the US - they were differentiated by a left political position but seem as disconnected from the real issues as these ones do. And as senseless violence, often seeming to be more about being hoodlums or thieves. Though - some of the European riots, from all different involved groups including young Muslim men, also have a very similar feel.

I see every day in my place of work, (not in the UK) two groups. Men and a few women who are very down on their luck for one reason or another - drug addiction, mental illness, disability, lost a job and no family, etc - who have no housing and no job. They spend all day trying to find a place to be. And on the other, very large numbers of new people, mainly from India and a few from Africa. Mainly economic migrants, and not in healthcare mostly - mostly buying up small businesses if they have money, or working as cashiers and cart handlers if they don't. They have found housing one way or another, often I see ads looking for Indian roommates for small apartments.

Every day I wonder when the former group sits in my workplace when something might kick off. Because I can't really see how anger and resentment wouldn't come to a head in this kind of situation.

TempestTost · 06/08/2024 13:44

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 09:44

The Guardian has not exactly covered themselves in glory when reporting on anything of this nature. See their reporting on mass sexual assaults on women in Cologne on New Years Eve 2015.

This seems very typical of left media, and it's made me very wary of those organizations that supposedly rate the accuracy and political bias of media sources.

They don't report false information generally, they simply do not ask certain questions, talk to certain people, or report of certain stories.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 13:50

The government is going to have to get to grips with all of this or the polarisation will get worse. I don't envy Starmer as I don't think it's going to be easy, I still don't like him, and I don't think he's up to the job. Don't know who is though.

Grandmasswagbag · 06/08/2024 13:59

It's an article about current riots. They are not rioting because of the grooming scandal. I expect half of them were in nappies when that hit the headlines. I don't see the issue with reference to past tensions. That encompasses everything and there are other issues.

blackcherryconserve · 06/08/2024 14:01

Imnobody4 · 06/08/2024 11:30

Guardian used to be my paper of choice. Can't believe how much I loathe it now.

Me too. And so many people I know rely on it for their 'news.'

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/08/2024 14:05

Violent men raping children. Violent men rioting. I doubt the latter care about the former except as an excuse.

Omlettes · 06/08/2024 16:04

Speedweed · 06/08/2024 09:16

I note in the bbc article the failing to deal with it early was due to fear of being labelled racist because it was largely Asian men doing the exploiting.

When this context is given in light of the Guardian's story you can see why people in Rotherham have reacted furiously. All of those 1400 children (and those are just the ones they are aware of, there will be others), have parents, and if those 2800 adults (plus grandparents, aunts, uncles and friends) are angry at what happened and no real change since then, it wouldn't be surprising if there is overlap between those groups and they comprise a significant number who are rioting.

Julie Bindel wrote about this in the Guardian in 2004
But Maggie Oliver is the person to listen too, she was a cop dealing with it all, till she blew the whistle.
Might start a thread about her, she is a trooper! She has a foundation protecting kids like this, which I urge others to support
%7Cheretics.

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 08/08/2024 00:25

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 09:44

The Guardian has not exactly covered themselves in glory when reporting on anything of this nature. See their reporting on mass sexual assaults on women in Cologne on New Years Eve 2015.

That was my mountain top moment. I couldn't believe what I wasn't reading or seeing in MSM about this.

Axelotylbottle · 08/08/2024 00:33

TempestTost · 06/08/2024 13:41

There are definitely larger social tensions that are coming to a head I think. Communities that are struggling with mixing different customs and ways of thinking about women or behaviour. Struggles over access to state support. Struggles over finding a home. Struggles over finding a home close to your parents, siblings, etc. Struggles over access to schools and medical care.

Neither the Tories nor the LP have offered any really useful approaches to this. It was bound I suspect to break out at some point as it has in Europe.

The rioting I think is both related and non-related. I said in a different thread, the thing it reminds me of most is the BLM riots in the US - they were differentiated by a left political position but seem as disconnected from the real issues as these ones do. And as senseless violence, often seeming to be more about being hoodlums or thieves. Though - some of the European riots, from all different involved groups including young Muslim men, also have a very similar feel.

I see every day in my place of work, (not in the UK) two groups. Men and a few women who are very down on their luck for one reason or another - drug addiction, mental illness, disability, lost a job and no family, etc - who have no housing and no job. They spend all day trying to find a place to be. And on the other, very large numbers of new people, mainly from India and a few from Africa. Mainly economic migrants, and not in healthcare mostly - mostly buying up small businesses if they have money, or working as cashiers and cart handlers if they don't. They have found housing one way or another, often I see ads looking for Indian roommates for small apartments.

Every day I wonder when the former group sits in my workplace when something might kick off. Because I can't really see how anger and resentment wouldn't come to a head in this kind of situation.

This is a great post, thank you for sharing.

Axelotylbottle · 08/08/2024 00:34

I feel anger about what happened in Rotherham and I feel there was no real accountability for the institutions that failed, no evidence of change having happened since in any way at all and no justice for the victims. A few people lost their jobs, no doubt replaced by identical types of people who'd do the same thing again whilst spouting ' lessons have been learned'. I see no evidence of that. I see no evidence of proper safeguarding for children being front and centre in social work teams or schools anymore, let alone the police. Quite the opposite in fact.

Obviously I'm not going to riot but I am very angry, and I'm not even directly affected.

SnowFrogJelly · 08/08/2024 00:41

I can’t wait for this women hating, gay people hating, MRM loving rag to bankrupt

Do you actually read the Guardian? If you did you would realise that this is totally inaccurate. Why not try the Mail for a more balanced viewpoint .

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 00:51

I feel anger about what happened in Rotherham and I feel there was no real accountability for the institutions that failed, no evidence of change having happened since in any way at all and no justice for the victims. A few people lost their jobs, no doubt replaced by identical types of people who'd do the same thing again whilst spouting ' lessons have been learned'. I see no evidence of that. I see no evidence of proper safeguarding for children being front and centre in social work teams or schools anymore, let alone the police. Quite the opposite in fact.

I agree.

Heylo · 08/08/2024 07:02

SnowFrogJelly · 08/08/2024 00:41

I can’t wait for this women hating, gay people hating, MRM loving rag to bankrupt

Do you actually read the Guardian? If you did you would realise that this is totally inaccurate. Why not try the Mail for a more balanced viewpoint .

Thanks for your sarcasm. Yes I did and donated to it for several years.

I’m a lesbian who has been called a bigot for not wanting to date biological males (trans women). The guardian have ignored and / or burned the GC movement at the stake. So, if I see their tendencies in other issues (this one), it’s because I have been directly affected by their abandonment for the latest progressive cause.

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WeAreOnTheRoadToNowhere · 08/08/2024 08:00

The reporting is similar to the trans issue with 1 side being treated much more favourably and sympathetically
The Labour Party have been shocking for years on this with MPs being kicked out for talking about grooming gangs
Cologne NYE (was it 2016?) lack of reporting wA horrifying
And now we have the justification and pretence that there is a far right threat in this country which, it appears, is going to be used to introduce authoritarian controls over speech

KielderWater · 08/08/2024 08:22

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 09:42

I think it both does fuel the tension, and also creates a perfect excuse for racist men who like rioting.

This attitude is exactly why more than 1400 girls were raped - placing concern for ‘community tensions’ above the lives of over 1400 girls.

i am shocked and horrified to see such rape apology here.