Help me present evidence to my son

[AlbertaWildRose]

My DS is 18 and heavy into the TWAW belief. He thinks JK Rowling is a despicable human being for her position and thinks that women should have no problem with all of this, and it's all just "scare-mongering" to say otherwise. Whenever I try to talk to him about this I end up getting too emotional to be rational. I really want to present him with evidence that this movement is not good for women - please help direct me to some good resources. Thank you.

OK.

Do you think a rape survivor who is giving evidence at the trial of her alleged rapist should be forced to refer to him as "she" when describing to the court how he raped her with his penis?

why are you answering my same question twice when I did not ask for clarification? Your fist answer said that self id is fine, but not for legal reassignment purposes? make it make sense for us.

You have a fixed view of that so there is no point in educating you you have to do it yourself but I doubt you ever will

enough

leave me be

Excellent you'll have the references then, and how this relates to transwomen

So you are a man then

I have educated myself. That's why I believe that trans women are men. All of them. Even the nice ones. Even the ones who have had their penises removed.

Yes, he is.

But this is your own opinion you stated and quite a controversial one. Obviously people are curious about how this works.

Interesting that anyone who asks you for clarification is "silly", "idiotic" or "disgusting ". Almost as if you haven't actually given it much thought.

You’re twisting again it’s impossible talking to you sensibly

What are you disgusted by? That a woman should have to call her rapist 'she' because they are a transwoman or because you're being asked whether you think that's OK?

It's not about fearing the trans community - that's what a lot of people seem to misunderstand.

It's about trans identified males being no different in their patterns of offending against women and children than other males. So, logically it makes no sense to treat them (a subset of males) any differently. Simple as that.

So the transwomen will not be safe in women's loos either?

You haven’t been following a long thread so don’t like in now with abuse

Eh? I've been on this thread longer than you and what abuse? I'm quoting YOU. 😄

Not from you clearly.
you are a man aren’t you?
bullying is better left to the women on here they are so much better at twisting words

This has happened to women. The only thing disgusting about it is that it has happened to women - first the rape, and then the way the courts dealt with the case, traumatising the victim all over again.

Why don't you care about those women? This is not about you.

As an aside, my twenty-something son has heard my take on TWAM many, many times. He agrees with me but didn't really think it was that big a deal in the scheme of things.

Following that boxing match yesterday was taken aback. He went away and did his own research and was telling me all the details he'd found out - he was genuinely shocked. I hope he's realising the real world impacts of gender ideology on females.

You clearly have not read my reasoned posts only when I got fed up of being called a liar and other things

drop it

leave me alone

you are only attacking me

I'm not twisting anything.

To recap, in a thread about a transwoman (a man saying he is a woman) in court accused of rape you introduced the 'much higher' level of malicious rape claims (False allegations sit around the 3% mark according to the MoJ). You went on to say this was widely reported. So I've asked for the references (should be simple for you) and how this relates to TW (as you introduced malicious rape claims into a discussion about TW).

MissScarletInTheBallroom · Today 16:17
So do you think a rape survivor should have to call her rapist "she" in court if he says he is a woman?

DianaAntoniaJasmine · Today 16:21
No

MissScarletInTheBallroom · Today 16:23
So not all misgendering is vile then?

DianaAntoniaJasmine · Today 16:25
Well a male rapist is not going to be a person particularly worthy of being called a woman.

I assume you mean after conviction because the police are reporting much higher levels of malicious rape claims. [my emphasis]

What do you mean this isn’t about me?
what are you on about I don’t care?
how am
i to blame for the courts?

It was a factual but small part of a conversation you are making into something else

you are only attacking me
No. You said I was abusing you by quoting the exact words you used. Everyone can see what you are doing and it's not pretty. If you are unwilling to explain the inconsistencies in your arguments why post them online at all? This is a discussion board.

Why is it disgusting to ask this question?

It is a serious enough question that judges have made rulings on this issue in the past, and the bench book has now been updated to give judges guidance about the proper conduct to observe in court.

So when a rape victim is testifying against her rapist in court, should she be forced to refer to him as "she" if that's how he claims to identify? Yes or no?