Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 8.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Over on Twitter it has been pointed out that the BBC has carefully selected a detransitioner who became a Christian - fitting the narrative that it's a religious belief to not believe in gender identity. I still think it's interesting to see a detransitioner story.

They were talking on Today about the people missing out on cancer screening because of the gender/sex thing and how it is important that for medical things and in the justice system, the previous names and actual sex need to be known. In medicine because a trans woman will need prostrate exams to see if they have that common cancer and trans men will need breast cancer testing and if they still have a womb, smear tests, etc. This is falling through the craps because of the stupid gender is sex/sex is gender. No it isn't, you idiots but if you're happy to die because you don't ever want to be triggered by being known as John Smith and not your new Jane Smith name, have at it.

In the criminal justice system name and gender change can lead to someone with a record - often sex crimes funnily enough - to be let go because the change means that the criminal history is lost in the old name and gender. This shouldn't be happening, of course, but it's indicative of the problems with equating sex and gender and I'm hoping that it's the start of people who should already know better going "Oh yeah, that is an issue and not a terfy bigoted issue but an actual real one that we were so busy being all, boo terfs, that we didn't notice right in front of our stupid noses!" I guess we'll see.

It's amazing really that this malign belief system has managed to insert itself so widely. Criminal justice systems, the police, health professionals, the media, schools.... and not just in this country, but in many world-wide.

Thing is, with the health stuff, they don't even need to be known as "John Smith", they can still be known as Jane Smith, as long as they retain the M marker on their medical records, so any medical bodies they deal with use the appropriate reference ranges and screening tests.

Of course. Regardless of gender identities, medical records would be all th better for having a field for how a person likes to be addressed, in addition to their legal name. DMil had gone by her middle name for her 90+ years, being called by her forename when she was in a confused state really wasn’t helpful, for instance.

Yes, my mother is in the same situation. When I go to pick up prescriptions for her or anything, I always have to pinch myself to remember that at the surgery she's (e.g.) Jane rather than Penelope.

ISTR that male and female NHS numbers start with different digits. If it's true, it must be male 13579 and female 2468 as mine starts with a 6. And part of GRC is that you can get allocated a new NHS number. This would clearly be insane because it breaks the link between your lifetime of medical records and your new name. It also removes a very easy source of statistical analysis, in that a mismatch of number and declared sex would give you actual information on the size of the trans community. But actual information might not tally with what we're supposed to believe, so who cares?

Did people see this, DocStock on Mumsnet?

https://unherd.com/2025/03/midnight-panty-raids-on-mumsnet/?

She called me a weirdo, though! Why, I orter.....😜

Talking of Doc Stock, Judith Butler's 'Who's afraid of gender' is 99p on kindle. Offer ends at midnight. If only I was holding a device that I could use to buy it in a few clicks. Unfortunately, not to be 😢

Unherd is pay walled, so here's the archive.

archive.ph/mzsOW

Nice piece from Doc Stock.

The last paragraph, did she mean GUT do you think?

I assumed not. I thought some posters here might have some idea.

I don't think so, as she describes it as a forum for mums - just a smaller one than mumsnet. GUT certainly wasn't that.

I hadn't noticed this being posted elsewhere but thought it pertinent enough to post a link here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/teenagers/5300074-can-we-talk-about-the-girls-adolescence?page=1

I've read some of it but the OP, I just don't get how anyone can even come at it from that starting point and it makes me want to cry. How can someone watch all four episodes of the series and especially episode three where the child slips up and admits to what he did by admiting to what he didn't do. He may have stabbed her seven times but he didn't "touch" her when she was dead. He didn't touch all her bits or do anything to her and he could have done, but he didn't and the horror of that coming from a thirteen year old boy and of the psychiatrist having to listen and not show the pure horror she's feeling on her face ... how can someone watch that and then say "But, yeah, the girls behaved vilely as well." That's basically saying that unless and until we promise to always let men know that at a very deep level we fear them, understand their physical advantage and so will do everything we can to remain scared and not upset them, to a lesser or greater degree we deserve to be stabbed and sexually assaulted because we forgot to not be "vile" for five minutes.

From that Doc Stock piece:

Indeed, as if at a virtual St Trinian’s, our more anarchic members would sometimes daringly embark on what were known as “panty raids” to a still-young Mumsnet to try to stir up trouble there.

Fond memories of transatlantic GUT raids on Conservapedia.

I wonder if they still think the motto of Brighton is "A l'eau - c'est l'heure!"

That's going back a bit! Might be before my time.

Ah, the legendary entry on horserider...

Grr! Cocking autocarrot!

And Free Republic.

Isn’t that the one that backfired by attracting some of their loons back to GUT? I can see a couple of references to the Legend of Horserider still on Conservapedia but I think they got rid of the main text. Totally normal take on the 2020 election, as one would expect:

https://www.conservapedia.com/United_States_presidential_election,_2020

Would anyone like to read an AI generated cheese scone recipe in the style of Judith Butler?

https://x.com/lucyhunterb/status/1904257475853083055?

Sorry for derailing…. I’ve been lurking along with the thread for a while without posting and have now posted off topic…. Hope everyone’s well.

Yes, we did get some Freepers on an exchange trip.

I prefer Pinter's scones to Butler's: x.com/LucyHunterB/status/1904268474924294301?t=27KWPyk-lFuMMMkMUrtXZQ&s=19

Ah. Obv I read those posts in the wrong order!