Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 8.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

My DD, who hasn't peaked yet, spoke approvingly of a secondary school they are looking at for DGD in a couple of years that there are unisex toilets that are cubicles off a corridor but with no door between the corridor and the cubicles. She didn't mention about handwashing facilities or whether the doors and walls go floor to ceiling, but I must ask about that. I think I have read about incidents in other schools with this kind of arrangement.

Surely, the trouble is, gaps under doors mean someone who has had a seizure or similar can more easily be spotted, but, if mixed sex, there's the risk of sliding phones under the door for perving. Mixed-sex toilets in schools is a ridiculous idea.

I remembered this article when I stumbled across this piece (via reading up on the oil spill)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14495927/Mark-Millich-genitals-effect-finasteride-baldness.html

The name of the drug he was taking, finasteride, rang a bell. According to the Times article it was prescribed to her son by GenderGP. From the DM article

Finasteride reduces the amount of DHT produced in the body by blocking the production of 5α-reductase.
But DHT is also crucial for sexual arousal, erectile function, and genital tissue health, and its reduction can negatively impact these functions.
In some cases, including Millich's, the side effects persist even after stopping the drug. This is known as Post-Finasteride Syndrome (PFS) and can include long-term sexual dysfunction, depression, and cognitive issues.

This was prescribed to a child.

And XY 5ARD is 5-alpha reductase deficiency - the same condition that the male boxers who stole women's medals had - assumed female until they hit puberty when the added testosterone revealed they were male.

This is a really dangerous drug.

Flogging dangerous pills on TV during SuperBowl ads: what a fucking shoddy two-ring circus America looks sometimes!

Unlike in the UK where it is illegal to advertise prescription drugs (which MHRA seems to ignore for PBs even though much LBGT+ material on this would fall within the definition of advertisement) in America strong drugs are regularly advertised directly to the public.

I have to say that DH and I regularly wonder what the hell some of these drugs in the many many adverts we see are meant to be treating - the adverts don't always make it clear. And the side effects all sound so horrendous that you'd have to be pretty desperate to take them.

Is it just me or is there an outbreak of princes-among-men threads recently?

There was the daughter's scary controlling first boyfriend, the picky eater husband who turned out to be financially abusive and unfaithful, the maybe-vegan boyfriend who would never dine out and never changed his clothes, and this morning the bullying husband who got escorted out of the airport. Plus some others that I saw mention of, but didn't read.

I think it’s the usual number but they’re particularly princely at the moment. All following the time worn practice of the OP complaining about some seemingly small aspect of their marriage before it being skilfully unpacked by the MN posters.

In case anyone has missed it a man who told a mother her 16 year old autistic daughter was being transitioned at college needs your help https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5284430-outing-and-transphobia-informing-a-parent-that-her-child-was-being-socially-transitioned-by-a-schoolcollege?page=14&reply=142851408

I got the dibber out. How many more of these tribunals? People shouldn't be having to defend themselves like this. But we are where we are, and women and men who are seeking to defend kids deserve support.

Also, Amy Hamm's loss in Canada is more bad news.

Sorry to say but I expect it'll take quite a few more tribunals before legal insurers start waking up and saying to offending organisations we will not cover you in future or you'll have to pay 10 times as much - or just insisting cases are settled before they get to court. It is beginning to get through, OU settled several cases out of court, but turning oil tankers takes time.

I agree. Is she going to appeal, does anyone know?

Google randomly threw this at me. I thought others might find it amusing

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg26535342-700-is-this-the-most-glorious-retraction-notice-a-journal-has-ever-made/

I can't remember if the New Scientist, like Scientific America, thinks humans are clownfish. If they do then they have no room to scoff.

Quick shoutout to whoever does the BBC 2 EPG.

Prof Alice Sullivan's report on the confusion of gender and sex in official data has just been published.

https://archive.ph/VIWPF

Looking forward to the BBC report on this........🙄

It will be hidden away in some obscure corner, probably local news as Prof Sullivan must live or work somewhere or other.

Post on X from a trans man in deep distress and feeling very unsafe being put into a provision with male parolees.
https://x.com/sheebadigeebies/status/1902339542528516224?s=46&t=CA04jWRH6MEztwZXoWS_jg

I do feel for her because she is definitely unsafe but she chose to identify this way and so the council have put her in the "right" place. In reality this is a young and vulnerable person whose idea of what being trans will be for them and their life is completely at odds with where they now are and how it has impacted their life. The trouble with TRAs is they make a strange rainbow and tell these youngsters that the only thing that will make it difficult is the hatred of terfs but otherwise it will be farts popping out of their sweet bottoms like rose scented bubbles, floating on air, feeling like a unicorn, so much ecstacy. That's not life for anyone, that's not even a decent fairytale, it's a clusterfuck of pure shite. I see a generation of mutilated butch lesbians and I want to cry for the pain they've gone through for a life that will always fall short of what it promised.

I know two trans men. At the moment neither is in the awful position of this poor creature. They're doing well they're "happy" in the way that any of us are. Life's not always great for any of us, there are ups and downs, blah. But I know that with at least one that it's not all adding up and I know with both of them that they'll always look boyish rather than mannish and I don't know where that leaves them as they age more and look "wrong". I hate the whole damn thing so much while loving some of the people caught up in it. Trans men. I can't even be getting anywhere close to a modern/recent trans woman because the ones I see are older and basically auto thingys and I no longer have the patience to even pretend to be polite and I top trump them with terminal cancer, so fuck their feelings.

Found it! Radio 3, 8 am news bulletin, 2 sentences.

(It's a very brief bulletin, most stories only get 3 or 4, but this was short even by their standards - not so mich as a subclause.)

That's awful, Brit. Sounds from the language used as if that's UK, so you'd think the prison rules on not doing anything so stupid would carry through to the parole system.

But as Mouse says, this is very much a 'consequences of own actions' situation. For which I blame the activists far more than the individual, who is likely to be vulnerable, but still....

Today programme covered it, Justin Webb just before TFTD. When (if) it appears on the website, it will have a misleading title and they will find a drag queen to comment.

Gosh -'local man detransitions' was the top story on today's local BBC news.

Bit odd to have an individual.medical decision so prominent - no wider discussion of transition/detransition rates, number of people having these surgeries or anything like that, but just hearning the word, and the fact of detransition being acknowledged was a surprise. And there's a longer piece promised in the evening news.

Nice clear statement that he'd originally transitioned because he was runnning away from problems in his life. And an interview in which he said his planned transition (he had a series of surgeries planned, has had the first and now had that reversed) would have meant giving up on a bright and happy future, and giving up on children 'And I love kids, so I'm glad I didn't go through with that'. Hopefully the longer evening item will look properly at whether people are going into this without truely informed consent, and understanding of the implications.