Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 8.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Gosh! I remember my mum saying in the mid-sixties that men should be
paid more than women as they had to support their family.

Yet at the same time she always held up my godmother, who worked at senior lecturer level in a university and was single, as someone to emulate, and I was always clear that I should 'have a career'.

There's no appropriate react emoji for that.

Very typical of a woman of her generation though, especially if she was always supported by first parents and then husband.

My grandma was widowed aged 36 with six children aged 0-12 in 1928, and no widow's pension or social security, and certainly no money in the family. She was lucky enough to have parents who owned market stalls in Beresford Square Market in Woolwich, and she took over a flower stall there and that was how she supported her children.

When I got married in 1986 there was still 'married man's tax allowance' iirc.

I've been browsing on the numerous Trump EO threads for the past couple of days. I loathe him and all his horrible hangers-on and I am feeling so down right now. Although I am pleased with the [obviously written by a very sensible woman] EO, it's crystal-clear that this has merely reinforced the pious-frauding, thought-terminating-cliche-spouting, high-on-own-Righteous-farts quasi-religious convictions of The Good People of Bundle of Good Beliefs on The Right Side of History. Sigh.

Talking about thought-terminating-cliches….

Yeah

Lets hope it has some knock-on effect beyond America's borders. Bound to do more good than harm, I think. Despite it being clearly the wrong messenger,

Even big orange clouds can have a silver lining.

When I applied to uni I was, according to one female relative, "getting above myself" and "nothing good would come of it". My father wouldnt teach me to drive as he didnt want more female drivers on the roads. A married woman couldnt get some types of medical treatment unless her husband agreed. And yes, even some women said men had to earn more as they had a family to support - or, in the case of the unmarried ones, had to pay on dates. A woman's salary wasnt really taken into account when looking for a mortgage because you'd be having babies soon.

Young women dont realise how much things have changed.

This article fits to many topics here; I didn't want to add it to just one; I hope here more people see it:
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-genital-inspection-unit/

Another good text by Victoria Smith; I still vividly remember the creepy AOC comment; it was creepy because a smart woman said it. I can only interpret that as point scoring with her voters.

VS/Glosswitch is always very good value.

Susan Evans, Tavistock whistleblower, has a piece in the British Journal of Psychotherapy. Well worth a read.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjp.12944

A friend alerted me to this poem, and I thought it fitted here:

Well if you'd like a poem - Robert Burns wrote this and it's as valid now as it was then
While Europe's eye is fix'd on mighty things, The fate of Empires and the fall of Kings; While quacks of State must each produce his plan, And even children lisp the Rights of Man; Amid this mighty fuss just let me mention, The Rights of Woman merit some attention.

Neither 'slut nor saint', that's a non-binary I can get behind.

Sharing this letter to the GMC from Emma Nicholson for your amusement.

That's a brilliant letter!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rwvjlln9wo

Disappointing.

That is a great letter thanks @Winterborne74 I love Emma Nicholson's phrasing, she cuts straight through to the absurdity.

Currently grinding my gears:

Second teenage footballer banned for asking if transgender opponents were men: Teenager with learning difficulties suspended for six matches for questioning referee about eligibility of ‘aggressive’ opponents

https://archive.ph/fZU34

It’s infuriating and absurd

And no chance Lineker will take this on as one of the requested topics for his podcast. Shame women's Tweets are too high pitched for him to hear.

I get emails that show me lots from different auctions. Mostly in the US but also in the UK and Europe. I like antique stuff and odd stuff and auctions - hoping to go to my first as a birthday treat (I know how to live).

I opened one just now which is entitled Wunderkammer: The Freeman & Fugate Oddities Collection. Some interesting bits that would definitely not be up a lot of people's streets, nor mine but not horribly offensive. And then there's a framed drawing of a woman wearing stockings, looks like she has a towel wrapped around her head. It's very much pen and ink simple, sort of fifties pin-up type thing. And then I look at the artist. Richard Ramirez and think, no, surely not, but there it is right after his name, year of birth, year of death is "Pen drawing by the nightstalker". Unlikely as it is that anyone here would be using the Chicago auction house of Potter and Potter Auctions inc, just in case it ever comes up I'd suggest having nothing to do with them because while I understand that this shit happens, like John Wayne Gacy and his clown paintings, what sort of auction house sells this shit. It's disgusting, absolutely disgusting. He tortured and murdered women within very recent history, but yeah let's sell his pen drawings of pinup women as though that's something absolutely normal and not offensive as all get out.

And breathe. I've not put any links because there's no need to show that shit and I wish I hadn't seen it.

Having seen references to the Dentons document, which I am vague about because it was released and discussed before I was on Mumsnet, or as informed generally as I am now, I went looking and am about to embark on a long read.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5132652-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-9?page=14&reply=141741880

I expect to return with questions.

This is a longer MN discussion.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3756354-RollOnFriday-law-firm-writes-report-called-Only-adults-Good-practices-in-legal-gender-recognition-for-youth