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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9

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Kucinghitam · 01/08/2024 17:21

Continuation of Thread 8.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 8 | Mumsnet

Continuation of Thread 7. There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5051302-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-8?

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FlowchartRequired · 20/12/2024 21:55

My favourite depiction of Mary is actually by a male artist. I cannot express how moving I find Michaelangelo's Pieta. A mother holds her dead son. How can carved marble be so beautiful and so heartbreaking?

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Waitwhat23 · 20/12/2024 23:10

Poem by Magi Gibson, which I thought those here might like

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ScrollingLeaves · 20/12/2024 23:40

FlowchartRequired · 20/12/2024 21:55

My favourite depiction of Mary is actually by a male artist. I cannot express how moving I find Michaelangelo's Pieta. A mother holds her dead son. How can carved marble be so beautiful and so heartbreaking?

I so agree. I first saw it as a child, unexpectedly coming upon it, and it felt like a bolt from the divine. It must be the most both moving and beautiful work of art ever made.

SinnerBoy · 21/12/2024 00:41

FlowchartRequired · Yesterday 21:

Is it by Michaelangelo?

ScrollingLeaves · 21/12/2024 01:21

SinnerBoy · 21/12/2024 00:41

FlowchartRequired · Yesterday 21:

Is it by Michaelangelo?

Yes.

BeechLeaves · 26/12/2024 19:24

I just listened to the triggernometry with Stephen Fry. Very very disappointed with the Trig guys. There was almost no challenging questioning. And Fry can waffle on and say nothing at all for a whole hour. I really wish they’d asked about women’s rights.

PuffinCliffs · 26/12/2024 19:42

BeechLeaves · 26/12/2024 19:24

I just listened to the triggernometry with Stephen Fry. Very very disappointed with the Trig guys. There was almost no challenging questioning. And Fry can waffle on and say nothing at all for a whole hour. I really wish they’d asked about women’s rights.

I have never understood the interest in Stephen Fry or why anyone thinks he has anything particular to say over and above a random member of the public.

JanesLittleGirl · 26/12/2024 21:39

PuffinCliffs · 26/12/2024 19:42

I have never understood the interest in Stephen Fry or why anyone thinks he has anything particular to say over and above a random member of the public.

I think that it was Plato who first said that an empty vessel makes the most sound.

BeechLeaves · 26/12/2024 22:13

PuffinCliffs · 26/12/2024 19:42

I have never understood the interest in Stephen Fry or why anyone thinks he has anything particular to say over and above a random member of the public.

I agree. However, in this instance on their podcast, I was hoping that a mainstream gay man saying he didn’t agree with stonewall would be more interesting. It was so dull. I know it shouldn’t take someone mainstream to make the point, but it does. But Fry didn’t really make any points and certainly nothing quoteable.

Winterborne74 · 27/12/2024 10:44

Joshua sounds insufferable and John sounds admirably even keeled. Can’t believe Joshua is 29 - he comes across as quite adolescent.

ChaChaChooey · 27/12/2024 14:00

MouseMinge · 20/12/2024 20:26

For quite some time in parts of London I lived in or near, Hackney and Tower Hamlets and almost certainly others, there was a period of time in the 80s/90s, I'm not sure the exact dates because I wasn't having babies, where you would not get told the sex of your child at a scan because of the number of abortions of female foetuses amoung families from the Indian subcontinent. They didn't want to make it about race so went for an overarching "ban".

Wrt the aborting female foetuses, China must be pretty fucked given how long their one child policy lasted for and the preference for boys over girls.

I had my first baby at UCH in 2000 and they deffo had a no sex reveal at scans policy then.

duc748 · 27/12/2024 14:01

I think there are loads of men (and a fair few women!) like that in Joshua's age-group. Unfortunately.

ChaChaChooey · 27/12/2024 14:14

Guardian frets over adolescent boys & young men taking steroids for body building and the negative influence of social media in making contemporary body image problems contagious amongst an age cohort - no mention of the girls taking the same testosterone medications to look like boys…
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/dec/28/why-are-my-biceps-so-small-the-boys-and-young-men-turning-to-steroids

even the illustration could double as an FtM ROGD article:

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lcakethereforeIam · 28/12/2024 13:43

I've just read this article in the Telegraph, tw for male posters...don't say you weren't warned ⚠️

https://archive.ph/6da4l

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/wellbeing/sex/what-its-really-like-to-be-a-penis-surgeon/

It's a bit of an odd subject perhaps for these boards. I did find it interesting. This guy tries to repair some of the wreckage left after genital surgeries. I think his insight into the medical predators stalking the vulnerable, his obvious disdain for the lackadaisical oversight (yes you GMC) has obvious parallels with both so called 'sex change' surgeries and surgeries offered to women. I'm thinking of the vaginal mesh but there will be others.

duc748 · 28/12/2024 13:56

A case of, a fool and his money, I suppose. As you say, the parallels are obvious. I suppose if this is becoming more widespread, it's partly another thing that can ascribed to the growing influence of porn.

Kucinghitam · 30/12/2024 14:33

Reading about the Taliban's latest batshittery (windows, windows FFS) has just about pushed me over the edge. What the fuck is wrong with so many men?

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SinnerBoy · 30/12/2024 14:43

I'm afraid I cannot offer any insight into that.

DeanElderberry · 30/12/2024 14:46

Specifically, why hasn't the ICC expelled Afghanistan? I'm not sure what other sports they participate in, but they should certainly be chucked out of cricket, with a boycott against any other nation that continues to play with them.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 01/01/2025 00:55

Harpy new year to you all.

SinnerBoy · 01/01/2025 01:07

Likewise from me, Happy New Year.

duc748 · 01/01/2025 01:23

Happy New Year, dinosaurs!

Britinme · 01/01/2025 05:16

Harpy new year, vipers.

Kucinghitam · 01/01/2025 09:12

Happy New Year to the nest of vipers!

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