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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9

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Kucinghitam · 01/08/2024 17:21

Continuation of Thread 8.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 8 | Mumsnet

Continuation of Thread 7. There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5051302-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-8?

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Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 17/12/2024 15:33

Thanks, cake, that was fascinating. Dr Hakeem is an excellent speaker and so clear.

The bit about asking certain questions of his patients, like 'Why are you doing this?' and the patient saying that no one had ever asked them that before they had surgery, just affirmed them, really stood out. As did what he said about how there are no follow-ups, so the stuff we get told about how nearly all trans people are happy with their surgeries simply isn't true. I mean, we knew that but it was good to hear it from someone who has worked in the system.

There was a lot there and I think I'll need to let it sink in a bit and then listen again to get the parts I missed, because there are bound to be some.

FarriersGirl · 17/12/2024 15:41

Thanks for the video cake. Informative and thought provoking. I shall probably watch it again.

lcakethereforeIam · 17/12/2024 16:15

The bit where he said he'd mixed his colleagues trans wannabes with some post op. and, iirc, none of them proceeded. Although I don't know if they desisted.

The lurking Fred Wallace 😃

I have so many questions. There must be a degree of self selection in his groups. Some post op tw claim to be happy and tra with the worst of them (some are even gender surgeons). Although we don't know the nature of the surgeries they've had or if they're taking testosterone supplements to shore up their libidos.

I saw a video with a poor sod who'd had penile cancer and had to have his his penis amputated. The man was devastated, but seemed to have been cut adrift (in every sense) by the NHS. Not helped by it happening during covid. I'm not proud that his surname (Mycock) gave me a dark chuckle. No suggestion that he was now a woman. He wife was a pillar of strength for him. Though they were really struggling to negotiate the situation.

It struck me as a parallel with gender surgery though. The NHS using drugs and surgery to deal with the diagnosis and doing little to treat and heal the person.

FarriersGirl · 17/12/2024 16:28

I found the links to autism [and their thinking patterns] very interesting. Not just the attraction to trans in the first instance, but the lack of curiosity linked to an absence of proper research, and resistance to challenges in belief.

Kucinghitam · 17/12/2024 17:54

Yes, the bit about why they're obsessed with forced language and pronouns was very interesting.

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SinnerBoy · 17/12/2024 20:46

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 14/12/2024 20:21

Well done for not folding, you're very brave, given what we know about EDI and trans zealotry in academia.

lcakethereforeIam · 18/12/2024 14:58

The Guardian wants readers to tell them about their favourite books of this year!

www.theguardian.com/books/2024/dec/17/tell-us-your-favourite-books-of-2024

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 18/12/2024 16:20

Just been catching up on the case that Riley Gaines et al are bringing against the NCAA for allowing males in women's sports and there are two very satisfying clips.

Senator John Kennedy suggests that the head of the NCAA order himself a spine from Amazon.
https://x.com/SenJohnKennedy/status/1869130470316728453

Senator Josh Hawley drags the head of the NCAA over the coals.

x.com

https://x.com/SenJohnKennedy/status/1869130470316728453

DeanElderberry · 19/12/2024 08:03

The Az Hakeem interview was so interesting - the ASD demand for pronouns as validation, the girls' school with an excellent reputation, the basically asexual people pushing an odd attitude to sex (that chimed with a lot of stuff I've been reading in the last ten days).

It was also refreshing to hear someone using the word 'perversion' rather than the mealy-mouthed 'paraphilia'.

Winterborne74 · 20/12/2024 10:12

This is a depressing twiX thread on the impact of sex selective abortions in South Korea. A preference for male children has downstream consequences in terms of population stability and the ability of those favoured male children to find a partner. Solution? MORE misogyny. Gives some context to the 4b movement.

https://x.com/zip99900/status/1869707373146960048

x.com

https://x.com/zip99900/status/1869707373146960048

lcakethereforeIam · 20/12/2024 11:13

Normally I'd ask if there were screen shots of the rest of the thread or a thread unroll, in this case I really would rather not know.

duc748 · 20/12/2024 11:26

Not just in SK either, in may countries. We're so fond of banging on about 'respecting (foreign) cultures'; maybe we should be admitting that many of the features if these cultures are a POS.

SqueakyDinosaur · 20/12/2024 12:11

I won't respect a culture that has no respect for women. The Pelicot case has really dented my love for France.

As for Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, they can both fuck off. And in the case of the Saudis take their spoiled little princelings and their ludicrous cars and stuff them up their arses.

Merry Christmas everyone!!

lcakethereforeIam · 20/12/2024 12:14

This is nice, and I wouldn't have seen it if not for a link to a testerical tw who claims they've been banned from using the loo, ill wind, etc.

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2024/dec/20/virgin-mary-sanitised-paula-rego-esther-strauss

SqueakyDinosaur · 20/12/2024 12:25

That's a good piece. What was the link that led you to it?

lcakethereforeIam · 20/12/2024 12:32

Here go

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/17/nancy-mace-anti-transgender-capitol-bathroom-legislation?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

It was posted by @Hobbitum in the Nancy Mace thread.

There's a link in the Mary article that takes you to a piece about indigenous art (that was thrown in...blasphemy!... and recovered from a river), they look amazing I wish there'd been a link to the Paula Rego art that was described in the piece.

Why aren’t more politicians condemning Nancy Mace’s vicious anti-trans stunts? | Jay Saper

Lawmakers should break their silence about the escalating anti-transgender rhetoric and legislation in the US Capitol

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/17/nancy-mace-anti-transgender-capitol-bathroom-legislation?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

duc748 · 20/12/2024 12:38

Mary is mentioned more times in the Qur’an than in the New Testament.

There's a fun factoid!

DeanElderberry · 20/12/2024 16:24

Very shallow analysis, ignoring even the most basic scripture - 'Isn’t it interesting that her only “act” was to give birth, yet there are no works portraying her actually doing so?'

Mary's other "acts" included saying 'yes' to the Annunciation, making the journey to her pregnant kinswoman Elizabeth and uttering radical as well as poetic words that very closely echo the canticle of Hannah, mother of Samuel. Both those words and the relationship with Elizabeth represent her as an educated and probably literate women.

After giving birth she presented Jesus at the Temple, indicating she was a pious observant Jew, travelled to Egypt to protect him and returned a few years later, took him to make his bar Mitzvah (and had a fright when he got separated from the family). When he was a man she pushed him to perform his first miracle when he did not want to.

She stood and watched her son being tortured to death.

She was present with his Apostles after the Ascension.

Not many women of that period have narratives that full.

She is always conventionally shown in a red tunic and a blue cloak - flesh clothed in divinity, whereas Jesus is often shown in a blue tunic and a red cloak - divinity clothed in flesh.

Artistic convention is convention, not photographic realism, but making up stuff like Robed in pink, as opposed to chaste blue when her blue cloak is clearly visible in the picture accompanying the article undermines the rest of the writing.
Not that it needed much undermining. Badly researched.

duc748 · 20/12/2024 17:21

Of course, it's not just SK men who head to Vietnam or Thailand for wives these days. It's not a pretty business, but I can see how some would seek to cynically compare these falling birth rate issues with racist Replacement Theory loony stuff.

MouseMinge · 20/12/2024 20:26

For quite some time in parts of London I lived in or near, Hackney and Tower Hamlets and almost certainly others, there was a period of time in the 80s/90s, I'm not sure the exact dates because I wasn't having babies, where you would not get told the sex of your child at a scan because of the number of abortions of female foetuses amoung families from the Indian subcontinent. They didn't want to make it about race so went for an overarching "ban".

Wrt the aborting female foetuses, China must be pretty fucked given how long their one child policy lasted for and the preference for boys over girls.

MouseMinge · 20/12/2024 21:04

@DeanElderberry I know we can see the blue cloak but I think that she probably means that the colour our eyes are drawn to is the pink rather than the usual blue. It is an usual representation of the virgin and child for that period and rather beautiful. I have to admit that I'm also a fan of the virgin and child in the Jean Fouquet Melun Diptych because it's so out there and almost modern in its depection. I imagine Tamara de Lempicka rather liked it too given her work.

@lcakethereforeIam I really love the Esther Strauss sculpture and I hope someone has fixed the beheading. It says so much about the world we still live in that a depiction of Mary giving birth upsets someone so much. Pure mental. Anyway, this is a link to an interview with Paula Rego in the Church times. I haven't read it yet but it has a lot of her story of the virgin paintings included.

Mary’s cross: a previously unpublished interview with Paula Rego

To mark Paula Rego’s death last month, this is a previously unpublished interview from 2002, in which she talks of her ‘Stations of Mary’s cross’ with Richard Zimler

https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2022/15-july/features/features/mary-s-cross-a-previously-unpublished-interview-with-paula-rego

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