Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 8.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

I love how reasonable Wu is. He totally gets that we only get being a woman all biologically after having a baby and then the only thing we do understand is biology and I'd never thought of how hard it is to live around toxic men. Like ever. Then again I've never had a baby so I've no idea what biology is, why my hoo-haa is like two little hairy sausages while all the boys have a worm. No idea at all. I was never sure what all the bleeding was about either. A thing called a wumb or something. Wome? Wimsy? Anyway. I can't do biology because I don't have a baby or testosterone.

For all my ignorance it's plain to see that WildfireWhisper is a bit brilliant.

Did you see the video?
https://x.com/SwipeWright/status/1861460588225827276

Oĥ! <sniff> I promised myself I wouldn't, but...I always cry at weddings.

I think the message they're trying to get across, the damage to the habitat and to the creatures that depend on it is important. Perhaps they believe this is a novel method of delivery that would get the subject more attention.

Or perhaps they're just loons.

Or a bit of both.

You'd have suspicions but you'd not know from the article, not even a photo

https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/24739494.isle-wight-dropped-trousers-samurai-sword-incident/

Then check the comments.

In case you're still wondering.

Eta And 'lifestyle choice'!? That's a tad transphobic. I'd like to think the police and courts would do better.

"officers measured Broadfoot’s sword and found it to be 66cm long"

childish sniggers

And, more childishness from the comments....

"Policeman with a bodycam in a coastal town,
A swordswoman stood with trousers down.
In her hand, a blade did gleam,
One to guard or one to scheme.
Tell me now, use your brain,
How many swords could you see in frame?"

Kelsall has a short interview on YouTube, posted just a few months ago. Googling his name brought it up. It was made by some group called Out in the Island iirc.

It was chilling to see comments that Kelsea was a woman whether we liked it or not and/or that Kelsea being male was irrelevant to reporting the crime. I am seeing this more and more - people who know that a person is male, yet deplore how much more violent women are becoming. It's just insane.

Yeah the comment(s) about it not mattering made me metaphorically fume. I didn't fume because I do not have the energy for it and fuming from afar at the willfully ignorant is pointless. I just wish that people had at least half the brain they were born with. This is a very male crime. Assigning it to a "woman" messes with the stats and horribly so. It matters what sex a person is given by the law and the media.

If I'd been reading the article out in the wild and not directed from here which made me pretty sure that the woman was indeed a man, I'd still have guessed man because it's a very male crime - and please to fuck off with the grieving, you utter twat, (as in you are one not that you have one) Kelsea - and because it's passing rare to hear of a fiftysomething woman called Kelsea. That is such a agp (it's been a while since I've used the acronym and I'm not sure it's right!) name choice that how could Kelsea be anything other than a trans identifying man.

Just for balance, and because I've been following this case the way it's evolved I've found fascinating. The accused started off as Bronwyn. I was suspicious because it seemed a very male crime and because of the picture (which has disappeared btw). Pronouns were all she/her though. I thought tw.

When the accused was remanded the name 'Anarlin' appeared. The press seemed confused, resorted to they and reported that the accused had previously been called Bronwyn.

The case is now being tried. The accused admits killed Anna Jones, their mother, but denies murder. If you read the article be warned it's quite graphic, although it's also in the first sentence below

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99rdg59k5do

Anarlyn is now he/him. I think the accused is a biological female with a trans identity, but could be a male who has detransitioned.

It's a desperately sad case. That poor woman suffered a horrible, grotesque death. Her child seems deeply mentally ill.

An interesting collation of more or less contemporaneous tweets made during the Scottish Government lawyer's wibbling at the Supreme Court this week:

https://wingsoverscotland.com/what-went-on/

I couldn't watch, but is it true that SG's counsel wanted a flow chart!? Did they get one?

There are some references to it in that Wings link.

Here you go…. Blast, accidentally flagged it as sensitive and the resolution is poor anyway for some reason. Maybe better to look at the Wings link…

It wasnt so much a case of wanting one, as of being unable to answer a question from the judges without one. No relevant one exists/was available, so it went unanswered (as did all the 'I'll think about that over lunch' questions).

Thank you. I'd read the WoS and was a bit WTF! Literally unbelievable. I just wanted to make sure it had actually happened. Jaw dropping.

Those tweets don't even touch on some of the more jaw-dropping stuff.

One point all sides ended up agreeing on was that under the SG interpretation, maternity and abortion laws don't apply to transmen with a GRC. The aspect on which the sides differed was whether or not this was a problem (SG thinks not).

And the SG also argued that although it was true that their interpretation meant lesbian associations must admit 'section 9 women' (men with a GRC saying they're women), this didn't matter because the lesbians weren't actually obliged to be attracted to them.

Ah, sorry, misunderstood. Some absolutely bonkers stuff in there.

“Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive”

I love the comment on the link above that said if a KC needs a flowchart to understand this, how is a receptionist in a gym expected to be able to work out if a man who claims to be a woman is allowed in the women's changing rooms?

Exactly.

Here's a good short article by the wonderful Hannah Barnes, summing up the background and arguments:

www.newstatesman.com/comment/2024/11/scottish-government-is-ignoring-womens-rights

Sorry to just drop in on this thread, but if you want to see a shocking example of misogyny, I suggest a read of this (nearly full) thread about male midwives. It’s all there - women being prudes, men’s feelings mattering more, if you are a rape victim who is capable of sex with their partner then you should be happy to have various male HCP rummage about your vagina:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable

Dropping in is very much what this thread is for, @PuffinCliffs.

Good Spectator article. I can't decide whether 'The Lesbian Interveners' should be a band or a team of vigilante superheros. Possibly vigilante superheroes with a day job as a band.

I've noticed that the whole "Will nobody think of the menz" things pops up on a lot of threads. Apparently Mumsnetters are never as hard on women's looks as they are on Gregg Wallace's. That is far more important than him being a - at very least - a misogynistic sex pest.

Yes, sometimes women are hard on men but that's not the same as the stuff that women put up with because of the power imbalance. In an ideal world we would leave people's looks out of everything. In the world we live in women are far, far more likely to be criticised about her looks, too fat, too thin, too plain, too perfect, too much makeup, not enough and so on. It's also part of our culture that a man's looks matter far less than women's.

It's almost amusing but it gets so tedious when some "poor menz" poster thinks they've scored some sort of winning point against what are often either innocent or pertinent comments.