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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9

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Kucinghitam · 01/08/2024 17:21

Continuation of Thread 8.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 8 | Mumsnet

Continuation of Thread 7. There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5051302-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-8?

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MarieDeGournay · 19/11/2024 17:45

Justme56 · 19/11/2024 16:29

Not sure where to put this but Pilgrim Tucker has announced that a mutually agreed resolution has now been reached with the OU re her discrimination case.

https://x.com/pilgrimtucker/status/1858903383022641525?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

Thanks for posting this piece of good news, well done Pilgrim for fighting the good fight!

Snowypeaks · 19/11/2024 19:52

NoBinturongsHereMate · 19/11/2024 16:53

Olympus Spa decision postponed.

(US Korean Spa told they must allow men into the women's [naked] spa, handmaid of a judge said not doing so was like segregation. Another judge argued forcing them to go against Korean tradition of single-sex bathing was cultural discrimination.) threadreaderapp.com/thread/1858611351901663550.html?utm_campaign=topunroll

That's so annoying. No, it is not unfair discrimination on the basis of gender identity, it's legitimate discrimination on the basis of sex. Women are all welcome, whether they claim an identity or not and whether they identify as women or as men, or as NB. The woman judge has made a mistake in law, IMO.
Segregation on the basis of skin colour is irrational and wrong, sex- and age-based segregation is not. She's an idiot.

anyolddinosaur · 19/11/2024 21:05

Pilgrim might have told those who supported her fight financially before announcing it on X.

serendipitea · 19/11/2024 21:57

I am feeling rather positive about the direction of travel in my city in the Midlands:

  • We had a rainbow crossing, which a few months back was looking tatty and in need of re-painting. I went in this weekend and saw it was replaced by a clean, clear, black-and-while zebra crossing.
  • i went into town to visit the local art gallery. When I had visited last year they had refurbished the toilets by merging male/female toilets with a common line of sinks open to the corridor. When i went in on Saturday I saw these were changed back, to distinct separate doors with clear male/female signage. (There are separate gender-neutral toilets on the first floor, with individual cubicles with floor to ceiling doors and presumably with sinks in the cubicles.)
  • I got a questionnaire in the post to review council services. The relevant question just said: "Are you [] male [] female [] transgender".

Each of these is a small return to sanity, together they make me feel relieved.

duc748 · 20/11/2024 00:06

I would be delighted to hear such good local news.

Leafstamp · 20/11/2024 07:38

serendipitea · 19/11/2024 21:57

I am feeling rather positive about the direction of travel in my city in the Midlands:

  • We had a rainbow crossing, which a few months back was looking tatty and in need of re-painting. I went in this weekend and saw it was replaced by a clean, clear, black-and-while zebra crossing.
  • i went into town to visit the local art gallery. When I had visited last year they had refurbished the toilets by merging male/female toilets with a common line of sinks open to the corridor. When i went in on Saturday I saw these were changed back, to distinct separate doors with clear male/female signage. (There are separate gender-neutral toilets on the first floor, with individual cubicles with floor to ceiling doors and presumably with sinks in the cubicles.)
  • I got a questionnaire in the post to review council services. The relevant question just said: "Are you [] male [] female [] transgender".

Each of these is a small return to sanity, together they make me feel relieved.

This is excellent news. I really hope this becomes a theme nationwide.

ChaChaChooey · 20/11/2024 18:42

Wow! Even the Seattle subreddit has reached the foothills of Fed-Up-with-TRA mountain over the schools sports issue.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/s/6RCxTZfsIm

Here’s the current top comment, in case the thread gets deleted:

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9
NoBinturongsHereMate · 21/11/2024 13:30

Ahoo Daryaei released. I hope she's able to get out of the country - not that she should have to, but I'm worried about her safety as soon as international attention wavers.

https://x.com/HabibKhanT/status/1859292812652482908?

x.com

https://x.com/HabibKhanT/status/1859292812652482908

MouseMinge · 21/11/2024 19:12

For balance they should do a piece on three women who've had or still have breast cancer and they can talk about how "top surgery" has changed or saved their lives and what it's like to have to have life saving surgery and all the rest of it. I'd probably be able to find them three from the cancer unit I go to because the majority of women I talk to have breast cancer making me their favourite little outlier. I also have a friend who's had a double mastectomy because of breast cancer and she was really lucky because the op did all the work and she didn't need chemo or radio or immunotherapy.

And call it what the surgery is. It's a double mastectomy because we're not children who have to use phrases like "top surgery" so that we don't giggle because it's big rude words. Although if they want to continue to call it that then their lower half surgery should be called "front bottom surgery" for men and women. Men will be having their willies cut off and women will be having a willy made out of one of their arms and put where their fanny is.

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 22/11/2024 09:23

Guardian item:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/nov/21/ice-in-their-veins-the-women-who-changed-ice-hockey-forever

There's also an item on the Australia page about men's woeful ignorance about menstruation.

Lots of in-your-face female biology and physiology, no gender-neutral language.

Maybe I'm over-optimistic, but could it be that some Guardian writers are rebelling in their own quiet way?

Ice in their veins: the women who changed ice hockey forever

In an extract from his new book, Ian Kennedy explains how female players adapted equipment that was suited for their male counterparts

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/nov/21/ice-in-their-veins-the-women-who-changed-ice-hockey-forever

SqueakyDinosaur · 22/11/2024 13:23

I fully expect to see that article referenced in the next newsletter from Caroline Criaz-Perado! I was discussing with a friend yesterday which bits of Invisible Women made us angriest when we read them - it was car safety for both of us, plus drugs testing for her and town planning for me.

Tooting33 · 24/11/2024 10:58

The town planning thing is interesting. Some areas I used to walk through when they were back streets/pretty much abandoned walkways now feel less safe as amenities have been created which mostly attract young men. You can see that the planners were trying to make it a more pleasant area, but it's easy for things to backfire.

bignosebignose · 24/11/2024 23:26

Sharing this for anyone who hasn't read it yet. It's a must.

Germaine Greer, "On Why Sex-Change is a Lie," published in The Independent Magazine 1989

https://x.com/ajatheempress/status/1860353749828473191?s=61

x.com

https://x.com/ajatheempress/status/1860353749828473191?s=61

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 25/11/2024 07:18

Interesting article about For Women Scotland:

x.com/roseveniceallan/status/1860710013221716291?s=61

NoBinturongsHereMate · 26/11/2024 21:54

I refuse to believe this is real. https://x.com/SwipeWright/status/1861269865417339156?

ChaChaChooey · 26/11/2024 22:09

lcakethereforeIam · 26/11/2024 22:04

It's not much, but it's a living 🙃

https://posthumanitieshub.net/meet-the-group/ewelina-jarosz/

Straight out of an episode of Nathan Barley!

Snowypeaks · 26/11/2024 22:11

Why do people hand over actual real money for stuff like this?

Britinme · 27/11/2024 03:10

People actually pay for this BS?

bignosebignose · 27/11/2024 08:29

A decent rant here:

x.com/wildfirewhisper/status/1861581824364810512?s=46&t=Jc83RvF4BLuFOsKbzX8RQQ

NoBinturongsHereMate · 27/11/2024 09:35

Top rant.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/11/2024 10:22

Doesn't Wu self identify as one of the reasonable ones? Hmm Great rant.

Britinme · 27/11/2024 14:16

Excellent rant and a couple of new follows for me.

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