TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

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Well that's the end of it for now. Apologies by a woman for being battered by a man, and another bout with a man happened. Oh well.... follow the money I suppose. Sorry but honestly.

I knew it was good @puffyisgood didn't know it was that good.

So the second larping male 'won' his fight against another female in the featherweight boxing category today. We're on our way to an all male final in women's boxing. The IOC is not fit for purpose!

Not an all male final, as the two are in different weight categories.
Because obviously, weight categories are important for safety and fairness.

To anyone with a greater knowledge of DSD, is it ever possible for an individual with XY chromosomes and a female or ambiguous phenotype go through anything approaching a female puberty? Does the XY essentially negate that or is it possible that they could possess functional ovaries or ovaries and testes that release hormones in the range to trigger female puberty?

I can only find information about Swyer syndrome where the ovaries and testes are underdeveloped and do not produce oestrogen/testosterone (I hope I've got that right, I've read several articles from reputable sources).

Once someone posted a useful chart about DSDs and their effects. There are some posters who might know.

I just saw Nancy Kelley suggest that Nicola Adams remove her tweet. And Kelley used that very manipulative ‘you are putting this woman at risk in Algeria’ tactic.

Plus, how dumb arse, Kelley tried to assert that Nicola said that this male athlete was trans. When Nicola clearly talks about people not born biological women going through male puberty. A male born with a DSD mistakenly ‘assigned’ as being female and going through male puberty does not make that male person a ‘biological woman’.

Fuck! That is grim.

Ross Tucker's The Real Science of Sport podcast might be helpful as he does explain some of the more tricky DSD stuff

puberty is when the truth comes out - in teens with CAIS it’s generally diagnosed around 15/16 when medical Investigations into lack of menstruation find XY chromosomes. They look female and don’t have a testosterone advantage but are usually taller than XX girls as one of the genes for male height is on the Y chromosome.

5ARD is colloquially known as ‘penis at 12’ in some parts of the world because puberty kicks off the male genital development that was delayed due to a lack of alpha reductase. These teens look like boys without facial hair and can often father their own children (sometimes with IUI/IVF help). They have normal male levels of testosterone.

Most of the DSD athletes seem to have 5ARD, so were erroneously recorded as female at birth.

BBC article.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cye0ex43k63o
repeats the "many women have higher testosterone than men" claim.
"There are many women with higher levels of testosterone than men," said IBA chief executive Roberts.

Although that comment was attributed to Mark Adams in Telegraph article earlier, so either they both said it or someone is confused.

Thank you for all the information and recommendations.

I'm being told that the Algerian boxer 100% went through female puberty 'because they have breasts' and are 'obviously female' 🤔🙄

This person is also adamant they have a vagina and uterus and no male external/internal structures. I'd rather not discuss another person's anatomy in this much detail but I'm baffled how they know all this to be fact. To my understanding it has never been disclosed and the particulars are a conversation between their medical team, coaches and the governing body who are trusted to perform the correct eligibility tests (but not on this occasion).

I wasn't aware of any situations where female puberty could take place with an XY genotype without the suppression or male hormones and/or administering oestrogen/HRT. I wondered if there were any DSDs I was missing.

Also, even if oestrogen was administered/androgens suppressed, a male could not go through female puberty. And vice versa. It's puberty or no puberty.

Apparently Mark Adams was Kier Starmer's best man at his wedding.

Excellent, thank you.

Separate to this issue (I know it's not relevant to trans) but does that mean that little boys (XY) who are being transitioned in primary school cannot go through a type of artificial female puberty (in the appropriate age range) with the help of hormones and the suppression of male puberty?

I think I naively assumed they'd found a way to vaguely approximate some external aspects of puberty in the opposite sex albeit in an experimental, damaging way (with no favourable long term data, feeding into the beginning of lawsuits from detransitioners whose health has been irreversibly ruined).

I appreciate they're never going to grow female sex organs or menstruate, I was thinking more along the lines of 'aesthetic' elements like breasts, hips, suppressing muscle mass and skeletal growth etc. As I type that I realise how stupid it sounds.

This is all very enlightening thank you.

No, the kids are being sold a lie. If puberty is suppressed for long enough, the window closes. The boy will get taller but never fully develop sexually and his brain won't fully mature either. His body doesn't have the instructions to develop as a pubertal female would. It's male puberty or nothing.

Edited for a typo

unsurprisingly, it's the BBC that is wrong

If anyone on Twitter wants to go and explain it to Morgan Freeman, he claims to be trying to understand the issue, but due to the polarisation of the Republicans and Democrats on this, and he's a Democrat, he's getting very one sided replies. A sound explanation would reach a lot of people.

*Not the actor btw

@GarethSouthgatesWaistcoat I might concede that he has well developed pecs but I think breasts is pushing it

What are they talking about? How do they come to this conclusion?

Forgot the other things you asked, Gareth

He'd have to go onto cross-sex hormones to get plumper breasts. Hip-to-waist ratio wouldn't change. The testosterone suppression might make him taller than he would have been because testosterone puts a brake on growth.

Bollocks is the technical term, I believe.

Quite! I'm finding, much to my exasperation and now great anger, that many men who identify as Left wing' are doubling down on how this is all fine.

I contribute to an urban and architecture forum which 99% male users - and a big handful are just loving dismissing women's concerns and objections on this issue - and trying to come over all expert on it. It's making me very angry.......i need to step away.

I agree.
They are just flat out lying to their audience/readers/watchers now.